The Supreme Court

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Kizmet, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  2. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    So, the travel ban is in place until they hear the full case in October.
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    you're partially correct
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    This targeted ban would have lapsed if the first version had been implemented and be lapsing if the second.

    Has too much been made of this?
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    In other words, it allows the ban to be applied to... who exactly, tourists? Something tells me visitor visas for anyone with no ties to US were not exactly easy to obtain in countries in question. Which makes this court order kind of pointless - but then again, so was the ban. But hey - Trump gets to protect America from people who never had any chance to come here in the first place. Yay!

    Oh yeah: the refugee ban is also back in, on a "limited basis". Great (again). Protecting the mainland from women and children from war-torn regions. Terrific.
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  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    If so then there's no issue.

    How many of the being-slaughtered Christians were let in over the past several years?
  7. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    And how many countries did these "women and children" pass by on their way here? Exactly. We're full, don't need anymore and don't want anymore. No more of this invade the world invite the world crap. Take care of the people here first, and most importantly.

    I'm sure one of the other 200 or so countries would love to pat themselves on the back and welcome in these people from war-torn countries. We need to be done with it. That time is over.
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Here in Canada, the Armenian Church was very quick to sponsor many Armenian Christians fleeing Syria. Our government wasn't slow in getting many (mostly) non-Christians here, either. One of the few things this government has done lately that I applaud. I've met a few of the newly-arrived Muslim Syrians here - I think they'll make very good Canadians. Even though they won't be having any back bacon or beer. :smile:

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  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You're mixing up "refugee" and "asylee", again.

    That would make for a nice replacement plaque on the Statue of Liberty.

    As it happens, here in Canada, Liberals led by Justin "the Boy Wonder" Trudeau ran - and won - on promise to bring in more Syrian refugees. One of the things I like the most about otherwise rather meh party. And the fact they're not Conservatives of course.
  10. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    "Here"? You're a Ukrainian living in Canada. Trump is President of the United States. This Supreme Court decision, whatever one thinks of it, has nothing to do with you.
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  11. jhp

    jhp Member

    Would you please stop using facts? I find it highly insulting and hurts my feelings. Opinions are way more important. /s
  12. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  13. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Nah. A better replacement for the Statue of Liberty plaque would be the lyrics to the song Dirty Boulevard.
  14. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I'm not confusing anything actually, I want all immigration to stop not just illegal and I want all refugee/asylee's to stop as well. Canada is a beautiful country, if you and yours want them take them all have at it!

    And we need remove that stupid plaque from the Statue of Liberty. It's a plaque of a poem, not the 0th Amendment.
  15. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Considering the shortage we are having with physicians and professionals in certain engineering disciplines I think this is a surefire way to cause even more companies to relocate out of the U.S. But I'm sure those tens of thousands of unemployed people will pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start machine shops and lumber operations like real men should. Before you know it, we'll have a Studebaker in every driveway if only we can keep those immigrants at bay.
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Thank you. Immigration restrictions and trade protectionism are big government conservatism at its worst.
  17. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    We should invest more in education for the people we have here. No need to have a sneering condescending tone, let's have some homegrown physicians and professionals. Those immigrant "professionals" can stay in their own countries and make them better, let's stick with what we've got.

    I never said anything about bootstrap or "real men", but those are fun strawmen.
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    For perspective here: I just looked at my doctoral institution's departmental faculty listing. A lot of fond memories here. My vague feelings were confirmed: full 2/3 of the roster are immigrants. One senior Professor I thought American is, apparently, Canadian. Keep in mind that the department just got major grant to educate American students in Cybersecurity. PI of this grant is British-Greek. Seriously, good luck replacing all that. Also, cool idea boosting the numbers of American MD grads: what you really need is relaxing admissions standards of your doctors. Good thinking; that worked SO well for lawyers!
  19. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I'm absolutely and totally opposed to illegal immigration. That's my litmus-test issue (like abortion to feminists) and it's the biggest reason why I voted for Trump.

    I think that I'd say that I want legal immigration to continue, but only at a rate that the United States can absorb. And 'absorb' is the operative word, since I'm a very strong believer in the 'melting pot' idea. Immigrants have to be assimilable, they have to want to become Americans, both culturally and linguistically.

    Of course, immigrants bring valuable things to this country too. I have nothing against immigrants telling the rest of us, 'We have this very cool thing back home that the rest of you might like'. We see that very obviously with American food, which is kind of a mini-united nations of world influences. I kind of think of American culture as an amalgam of the best features of cultures from around the world, forged in that proverbial melting pot.

    And I think that legal immigration needs to be in the interest of American workers. The goal of immigration shouldn't be to drive existing Americans out of work, especially at the low-skill end of the labor market (where social problems are usually worst). Attention needs to be paid to the effects that immigration has on communities, on housing, government services and health care, and on public schools.

    That's where attention is most required. We can't just throw open our borders to anyone who claims that they are persecuted in their home country. Some attention needs to be paid to why they were attracting opposition in those places. The British ignored that for decades and today London is home to some of the world's most virulent radical Islamist preachers that Middle Eastern governments had long been trying to suppress.

    And unless the US wants to be importing a disproportionate share of problems, it shouldn't be accepting people sight unseen from the most radical, troubled and war-torn parts of the world (especially the young military age males that make up most of the 'migrants'). We need to have some idea of who these people are and what their history was in the places they come from. Unfortunately some countries don't have functioning governments and/or can't supply the kind of histories that we need. That's where extra care needs to be taken. And that's what this thread's Supreme Court decision is about.
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  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Fun fact: every single Assistant Professor in FSU CS Department is an immigrant. Not one exception. These guys all graduated from top schools and have great publication records. But yeah, I know: let's invest in education (which Republicans oppose, I might add).

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