Sarah Palin: Black Lives Matter is a 'farce'

My wife and her family refer to themselves as Italian-Americans. My wife also refers to herself as Irish-American, same as her dads side of the family does. To simply say Italian or Irish implies that the person not US born, it's that simple. If someone tells you they are "white", they next question would be, yeah, but are you Greek, are you Russian, are you German, are you ................... People don't usually just say "I am white". Not talking about job applications here, talking about real life.

 

You very much do not understand what the BLM movement is. So, once again, it is not an official, cohesive group. Anyone can create a website, and there are multiple BLM websites. I could create a website right now. It is not organized like the NAACP with official leaders. It is not even as organized as the Nation of Islam or Black Panther Party. It is a movement and not an organization.

So saying that you're Irish or Italian when you weren't even born in Ireland or Italy is better than saying Irish American or Italian American? All you have to do is Google Italian American and Irish American, and you will come up with a multitude of websites talking about people who identify as such. I have seen documents that list European American, but the reason why you don't see countries listed for white people is because

1. There are too many countries to list.
2. Most white Americans are mixed with various European ethnic groups.

African American is simply just another way to say black American. Anthropologists these days tend to label people of Sub-Saharan African descent as Sub-Saharan African rather than the more offensive Negroid. They also use Asian rather than Mongoloid, Oriental, or yellow. Since Caucasian/Caucasoid or white are not considered offensive, that is what we continue to call white people. If you have a problem with people's races or continents of origin being labeled, then you should stop using white, European, or Caucasian.

It is what is being implied. If you're blaming division over people calling themselves hyphenated names, then this is one of the most illogical things I have ever heard. People are going to divide themselves and be racist despite what people choose to call themselves. Again, this should be a non-issue. The only people who have a problem are the ones dumb enough to be offended by hyphenated names.

Everywhere you go in the world, people hold on their ethnic names. Man-made political divisions is not a reason to ignore one's history and cultural. Unlike the Italians and Irish, I cannot pinpoint a country where my ancestors originated. A lot of African nations did not exist during the Atlantic slave trade. So, why is it an issue for me to call myself African, but not an issue for someone to call himself or herself Italian or Irish? If people could accept each other's differences, then something as trivial as a hyphenated name wouldn't be an issue. Honestly, I don't think it's an issue with most people. Only people with low emotional and cultural intelligence quotients have a problem with it.

It has already been told to you by two people that there is no official group. You are obviously the one who is confused. You read tweets and listen to interviews. I actually know people who are in the BLM movement and have talked to them. If you can't understand that it is a loosely-connected movement with people of varying ideologies, then this conversation is going nowhere. Most people going out to these protests or talking about BLM on social media do not follow Patrisse Cullors or any other self-appointed leader of the "official" BLM website. People start their own groups when and wherever they want. The "official" organization has little control over what people in the movement do. So, you obviously, have not done very good research, or you would understand what most black people already understand about BLM.

Who Really Runs #BlackLivesMatter? - The Daily Beast

 

Also, what the article and most of the media will have you believe is that BLM organized the protest in Dallas. It was not organized by any BLM group; it was organized by the Next Generation Action Network.
Next Generation Action Network |

Anytime black people are out protesting, the media automatically labels it as Black Lives Matter.

 

Since Maxwell Smart wants to get almost all his information off the "official" BLM website, he should read this page. It addresses a number of the statements he's made here. But, of course, Maxwell Smart is going to pick and choose whatever is convenient to his argument, regardless.

Misconception #2 explains that BLM was not organized to have one leader or a few visible leaders. It was organized to be led by local chapters.
Misconception #8 explains that it is not an anti-white or hatred of white people movement.
Misconception #9 explains that it is not an anti-police movement and that police officers' lives have inherent value.

Of course, you will have people in the movement who are anti-police or even anti-white, but that takes us back to the point I made earlier. There are many different ideologies in the movement. There are potentially hundreds of thousands to millions of people who claim to be in the movement, but less than 20-30k follow any of the "leaders" (founders of a hashtag and website) on Twitter. Most people in the movement are not following any guiding principles and many of the protests are not organized by any BLM chapters.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

 

BLM makes the distinction that, despite the fact that all lives should matter, they don't always. The movement points out the plight of blacks in America.

If saying "BLM" didn't have a distinction, the collective response to a banal and obvious statement would be "meh." But it wasn't and isn't.

It would be nice if people who shout back "all lives matter" were stating a simple and obvious truth. But they're not. Because it isn't true. I'm sure many people who shout back "all lives matter" really do feel that way and don't proactively support discrimination against blacks (or others). But....

For many, "all lives matters" is a defensive deflection away from an uncomfortable issue--that it's not yet true. It's aspirational, sure, but hardly universal.

We'll know we're there when it isn't necessary to say it anymore, when a response to "black lives matter" will be "yeah, duh!" It's a worthy goal, but we're not there yet.

 

I don't know how many times it has to be explained that "black lives matter" means "black lives matter too" or "black lives matter also." A popular youtuber explained it well (she's not black). Saying that we should "save the pandas" is not saying "f the monkeys." It is drawing attention to the problem that faces pandas. If every time someone said "save the pandas" someone would respond with "what about the monkeys," then the latter person would either be deemed as an idiot or someone who wanted to deflect attention from pandas. Another good point she made is that people should be happy that they don't need a hashtag instead of being mad about not being the center of attention.

 

I would find it hard to believe that specific hyphenation is being used regularly by them in normal conversation. Not saying it is or isn't, I would just find it hard to believe.

Not really, because people generally don't go around just saying out of the blue "I'm white!", you said it yourself:

And if you ask someone what they are, they'll tell you "I'm Italian", "I'm Dominican", whatever. Rarely will they ever say "I'm Italian-American" or "I'm Dominican-American".

Yeah. As we all know, job applications aren't a part of real life...

 

Surprise!

And again, and again and it is apparently sufficiently popular enough of an expression that the Sons of Italy used it as the name of their magazine.

At this point you're just arguing nonsense. "Italian-American" is a very common identifier. Either you're not actually in the U.S., thus have little basis to comment on what is or is not common in American society, or you're just trolling for the sake of trolling at this point.

 

He does that.

 

Degreeinfo has become a great place to hang out. It has come a long way. A few years ago it was tough for to read some of the stuff. Many nations can take an example from degreeinfo. On degreeinfo you are judge by the content of your posts - skin color is not relevant. Unless one tries to make it a factor.

 

MAxwell Smart- you know nothing. COME UP to an ASIAN-AMERICAN and ask what are you(ooh, I used a hyphen)..and trust me the first thing we will tell you is probably nothing. We will roll our eyes because that question is the bane of my existence. I never tell people I am asian at first. That hyphen gets added because noone accepts, "I'm from Pennsylvania." YOU KNOW NOTHING.

THis video..I am the woman jogging..all the f**ing time. This is why I add the hyphenated American after Asian.

https://youtu.be/DWynJkN5HbQ

 

Not to hijack this thread, but how far do you run a day? Yes, I see your point..LOL....

 

Even the Asian-American is not sufficiently descriptive for my taste. It suggests there's little or no difference between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian Laotian, etc. Technically, even India is a part of Asia. So there are huge differences in language, culture, history, etc.

 

Nevermind..that is not you in the video..sorry about that...

 

Sorry for your disappointment. If it helps, I do fartlek training on the track. It tends to be a freestyle version of "jog the curves, sprint the straights."

 

That works...

 

Perhaps if they'd used "Black Lives Matter, Too" it would have helped. That's the real message.

 

I think it would have diminished the message.

Adding "too" kind of makes it sound like an afterthought.

It would be like saying "Save the whales as well." Or "Free Tibet, when it's our turn."

Also screws up the hash tagging which is an unfortunate reality in any social cause these days no matter how noble.

 

I disagree, and don't think those hypotheticals are a fair comparison. The actual message is that black lives matter, too. They're not trying to put black lives above others, or at the exclusion of others. The central message is that black lives matter as much as others' lives.

I'm fine with the original messaging, and feel that those who misinterpret it do so purposely. I'm just offering an alternative. (After the fact, though.)

 

I don't disagree with the core of what you're saying. I simply disagree with it from a branding, and a historical, standing.

As the memes say, "Save the whales" didn't imply "F the Dolphins." We've also seen movements surrounding "Free Tibet" and "Save Darfur." None of these movements meant to imply that Tibet, Darfur or Whales are more important than any other person, place or thing. The movements identified by clear and concise imperatives of no more than three words.

People never made these broad and obnoxious judgments about these other movements because, frankly, none of the, ever gathered nearly as much exposure as BLM.

Those who say that BLM is racist because it is exclusive of others are simply grasping for straws. It has nothing to do with the absence of a "too." They'd be upset if it was called the "Hugs and Kittens Movement." As the kids these days say...

Haters gonna hate.