Saint Regis University

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by atlas1212, Jun 25, 2003.

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  1. kf5k

    kf5k member

    If they are willing to work cheap, and have some skills, somebody will hire them. That's why our factories move to other countries, lower cost, and more profit, and I say this not in agreement, but in sadness. People are being brought in everyday for these reasons, though I don't have any specific information about the countries you mention. Cheaper foreign labor is highly sought after.
     
  2. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Actually, on 05/29/03, in a thread entitled New Liberian School and on 02/01/03 in a thread entitled St Regis University...nedd help you seem to put a lot of stock in Liberian accreditation. Of course, I expect that you'll now deny this as well. I am content to let others review these postings and make up their own minds.
    Jack
     
  3. BobC

    BobC New Member

    Let me see, I'm open minded myself. Reviewing now.
     
  4. BobC

    BobC New Member

    Re: New Liberian school

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    Originally posted by mringer
    Just found out that Concordia College And University is now based in Liberia and is touting the same horn that St. Regis is. Also found out recently that most of West Africa considers most schools out of Liberia to be a joke......
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    I dont think most US schools would consider U of Liberia or Cuttington a "joke" so Im not sure of the weight of that statement.
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    Sure I said that, I was defending legitmate Liberian schools I felt were being lumped together and tarnished by Concordia and SRU. It was later cleared up 2-3 posts later. Big deal.


    As far as the other thread....you mean the one where I called Liberia a "Rogue State". And call their accreditation "accreditation" and where " I wouldn't be surprised if their lying and they don't have it. "

    Yep, you proved me wrong alright. I'm a ringing endorsement for Liberian Accreditation.
     
  5. BobC

    BobC New Member

    Dennis I don't have a problem with debate people saying what needs to be said...I don't have a problem with "you're argument sucks, here's why..." "What a pile of horsecrap, let me gladly prove you wrong...". I must've been absent in my speech 101 class when educated debate included bullying, name calling, negative innuendo, personal attacks, and pure outright mudslinging.
     
  6. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    What is wrong with being nice? Disagree with people, but be nice. You seem to find pleasure in being rude. I would think you may have issues beyond this board. I have seen Andy Borders, Dennis Mandaring, Mark Isreal, Tom Head, Dave Hayden, and many others post debates and views in a cordial manner and earn additional respect from me. If you are challenged in a debate you go on a tirade of name calling, false accusations, and personal insults. I agree whole heartedly with Rich's quote above, and would like to see the moderators call down one of their own for a change.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Mr. C, you're a boorish hypocritic and you apparently engage in silly meaningless lies. You may reasonably refer to that as calling names, I'll call it giving you my thoughtful impressions based on your recent posts. For example, your thinly veiled threat of physical violence made against multiple people on this board which you now seemingly exasperate and deny in the same post. I enjoy everyone's posts on this board. I have enjoyed your posts, even your posts where you threaten physical violence. (especially those :) ) However, I believe that anyone that is so "off" that they feel the need to express themselves through threats of physical violence can't be a good addition to this community no matter what their position on any issue or how eloquent they might be.

    P.S. If you would like a laundry list of silly little meaningless lies that I believe you've told then please feel free to ask.

    P.P.S. If you would like to stick around, perhaps you should ask the administrator for a new alias? IMHO, you've really done a number on this BobC one.

    P.P.P.S. Where did "laundry list" originate from? Perhaps it is from the saying, "airing your dirty laundry" or is it rooted in the days when people took their laundry out to be washed by hand?
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Then let's terminate this endless round of posts about "bullying, name calling, negative innuendo, personal attacks, and pure outright mudslinging", and return to a slightly more impersonal discussion of the issues at hand.

    The fact remains, despite all the smoke and mirrors, that claiming and trying to pass an unearned degree-mill degree is dishonest. Arguing that degree-mills be accepted as another useful DL option is defending and promoting dishonesty.
     
  9. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I believe that you have told us that you are a martial arts practitioner.

    Well, I think that rhetoric and argument in a place like this is a verbal martial art. That means that the principles of the dojo also apply here.

    Participants need to keep their composure. They can't let opponents use emotion to force them off their center. Words need to be used skillfully, to educate and to persuade, to turn opponents into allies.

    I think that a way to begin is to move the topic of conversation away from the personalities of those that frustrate us, and back to the slightly more impersonal issues at hand. Namely the ethics of using degree-mill degrees and whether or not degree-mills should be treated as just another useful DL option.
     
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  10. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Now you’ve done it! What you seem to fail to realize, Bill, is that what they are so vociferously complaining (whining?) about are precisely statements like yours. In reality, there hasn’t been an overabundance of name-calling, rudeness, or arrogance. However, when anyone points out that promoting unearned degrees or trying to pass off substandard degrees as legitimate is dishonest, then their philosophy of entitlement morphs into one of victimization. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Well, I guess I'd say (and I may be alone in this) that if it has been adequately demonstrated that Liberian accreditation is "for sale," then it seems to me that ANY school that flies the Liberian flag is suspect, even the "legitimate" schools (if that word has any meaning in this case). It seems to me that you can't say that Liberian accreditation means nothing in regards to one school but that it means everything in regards to another. Now I know nothing about these other schools and I am not going to pretend that I do, but I would think that it's reasonable, given what we know about the value of Liberian accreditation (zero) that they at least lose the "benefit of the doubt" that foreign accreditation typically carries. I would be happy to learn that these schools are operating with the highest standards but knowing what I know about Liberian accreditation and the current state of Liberia in general, I'd say they'd have to prove it to me first.
    Jack
     
  12. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Dennis Ruhl, Gus, and Bill huffman:

    I commented that you guys would not be near as rude in person as you are on this forum or you would sport a raccoon look. That is not a threat that is an opinion. As noted above the people mentioned seem to be able to disagree without being jerks, so why do you have to. Gus could post the entire PM that I sent him instead of doing like most cult members do, and pick out the verse that they like, and posting it. What is even more laughable about you guys is when you correct someone for grammer, or spelling errors, and in your corrections you make an error yourself. Who is the hypocrite??

    I am with BillDaysson, in that we should move on, but I think you will respond again with more insults because to be so educated you cannot make your points any other way!
     
  13. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    How about John Davy University?

    Hey...I want to be chancelor! (and I'll pass on the liberian accreditation thank you)
     
  14. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hey Gus: Rat own about the "victim" routine!
     
  15. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Sure sounds like a threat to me, especially since you mentioned this "raccoon look" thing in three different posts. In one, you wrote:


    • The administrator may not admonish you, but I will say that you should thankful that you can sit behind a computer and offend, and accuse. Else, you may sport a raccoon look.


    By what means, other than by your graces, would any of us sport this so-called “raccoon look?” Being that no one else on this forum has ever employed the term, who else do you feel is qualified to provide such a makeover?

    I rarely, if ever, correct. I do feel free, however, to express my amusement at the irony, especially when the individual is lauding the quality of his or her education. Moreover, there is a big difference between the occasional typographical error or cut-and-paste mistake and the habitual and consistent mangling of the English language. (And for the record, the word is “grammar,” and I suggest you look up the meaning of “hypocrite.” ;) )

    You accuse others of being insulting but the above is typical of your posts—nothing more than denigrating, caustic preemptive strikes. You have yet to provide a clear and concise example of a direct insult. Instead, opinions have been expressed about what constitutes dishonest behavior, and it appears that you feel that behavior describes your own.

    And now, because you asked (couldn’t have done it without your permission), is the entire text of the private message you sent me.


    • You are a JERK

      You, and Dennis are the biggest freakin jerks! Why can't you make points
      without being an ass????

      I can assure after 28 years of martial arts I would not be harmless. That is
      not a threat but a fact! I do not write checks that I cannot cash!!!!!!!!

    Thank you. This sure sounds like a threat to me, and that’s a fact. However, now everyone can judge for themselves. :rolleyes:

    ”Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
    —Isaac Asimov
     
  16. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    From Gus

    I never mentioned anywhere about wanting to buss anyone's gluteus maximus.

    I simply stated that you are jerk, and you are!

    I am not harmless, and you have an open invitation to find out.

    The original statement was simply a statement. The above is a challenge.

    A threat would be to say that I am going to come kick your gluteus maximus which is somthing I have never said to anyone.

    You will not find one thread where I have told a lie. I have never been rude to anyone who was not rude to me first. Just because someone attends a school that you do not like, or thinks differently than you doesn't mean you have to talk down to them. You may be well educated, and have multiple RA degrees, but that does not make you any better than the next guy.

    I am willing to treat you with respect, but I expect the same in return.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    1. Liberian "accreditation" that can be bought is highly suspect. It also places all degrees earned from Liberian schools in such a light.

    2. St. Regis is not a university. It's not even an unaccredited university.

    3. Degrees from St. Regis will simply not be accepted anywhere an accredited degree is required, except by accident.

    4. Presenting such a credential it tantamount to a lie.

    5. Communicating a threat on this board or anywhere else is reprehensible behavior. The party doing so should apologize, no matter how else he thinks he was aggrieved.

    6. Suggesting that as long as one can "get away with it" is irresponsible. It also places that person's other claims into serious doubt: If a Saint Regis Degree can get you a job or into a Graduate Program, AND, it's defined by important sources as legitimate, I don't see anything wrong with it.

    7. Mary Hawkins, Provost of Bellevue, got it right. And I know Bellevue is very interested in--and knowledgeable of--such matters. (Mary was one of the adjuncts on my committee; John Bear was the other.) It is hard to believe they would find St. Regis degrees acceptable after all of that. If a more positive response to a St. Regis degree was made by a Bellevue employee, it was surely a mistake. And this kind of exception doesn't create a bit of legitimacy for that "school."



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  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't know if your ethics are appalling; I don't know you. But the statement you made about getting away with it is appalling. It also brings into doubt anything else you've said that remains unsubstantiated. By taking such a stance you remove any air of objectivity. You justify a fraud (means to an end) and then react negatively when others do not believe the rest of what you claim.

    The onus is not on others to verify or belie your claims. It is on you to support them.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This name-calling is almost certainly a violation of the TOS.

    Why the focus on Bellevue. IIRC, you contacted "many" schools. Who are they? What were their responses?
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: More Money

    The common argument offered in favor of unaccredited schools is that the learning is what's important, not the credential. I counter that with, "Why get a degree? Why not just do the learning?"

    Atlas' comments were the opposite. Why do the learning when you can just get a degree, he seems to be saying. And the whole thing is justified because the degree "works." Then he offers examples--unsubstantiated, except for Bellevue where it was contradicted--to support his point. Sorry, but it is hard to believe someone who supports academic fraud. It is no longer a dispassionate quest for knowledge, it is an agenda. That puts the rest of his claims into question, and he's done nothing to change that.
     

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