Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by atlas1212, Jun 25, 2003.
This seems like a threat and, as such, certainly a violation of the TOS.
Perhaps you would care to reread this post in which you wrote:
” Anyone who still thinks that my degree is not earned or valid can meet me under the mistletoe that I have attached on the belt loop of the back of my Levi's!”
Sure sounds like an invitation to kiss your behind to me.
Now, who is calling who names? Can you point to a single post where I have done the same?
Let me think about it... Nahhhh, you’re still harmless (except, of course to those who follow your educational advice). Why do your statements still feel like some kind of threat?
You want to show me how harmful you can be, right? So now it is a threat, right? I didn’t feel your blustering deserved a response the first time, and I still don’t.
No, you prefer to threaten to administer “attitude adjustments” and “raccoon look” makeovers. We know.
Look no farther than your present post (although it’s quite possible that you simply didn’t understand or take the time to look up the meaning of the word “buss”).
Apparently that depends a great deal on what you think is rude. How convenient. Moreover, methinks you employ a bit of a double standard.
I couldn’t care less what school you attended. I do care, however, when you mislead others into perhaps making the same poor and illegitimate educational choice as you did. I’ve been posting here for years. I challenge you to find a single post where I have stated or implied that I am better than anyone else or even one where I have used myself as a basis for comparison.
I do not believe I have disrespectful of you. Instead, I have expressed my disdain for certain specific actions and behaviors. If, because you may have engaged in these activities, you feel that my scorn also applies to you personally, that is beyond my control. Personally, I don’t expect respect; I believe it (just like a legitimate degree) is earned.
My compliments. The thread you started now has a whopping 181 responses, has generated considerable discussion, and has the usual suspects settling into their usual behavior patterns.
FWIW, anyone taking exception to your initial statement is simply someone who would find fault with anything simply for the sake or argument.
Well said Ranger!
Yes, "they" have.
I'm outtie. See ya in the next debate!
At least you got the first point.
Never gave anyone any educational advice, and certainly have never told anyone to follow my track. Maybe you should reread the whole thread. If anything I was honest about my situation which I did not have to be, and then you called me a liar, cheat, and a thief because of association right?
No one has to earn respect from me. I give it, and had my gluteus max. busted when I did not. You can lose my respect, but you have it until you do. You came after me in the beginning because of your disdain for KW. That was not warranted. You can call KW what you want, and I may agree a good bit of the time, but when you call me a liar, cheater, and a con artist just because I attended the school you are getting personal.
It all boils down to this. I am man enough to say I'm sorry, and call it a truce. I will forget everything, and treat you with respect. Are you willing to do the same?
28 Years of Martial Arts? Could you please tell me which systems you studied and what are your ranks (or dans) and who certified you?
I used to teach Muay Thai, Krav Maga and Tae Kwon Do for many years and worked in bars to pay for my undergraduate tuition. I'd like to see why you are mentioning the use of force on a forum that is for distance learning and not the Ultimate Fighting Championships.
No, not right. Here’s what I wrote:
If you try to sell me a Timex for the price of a Rolex, if you try to pass it off as having the same value, you are a liar, a cheat, and a con artist.
Why on earth would you think that applied to you? Do you actually disagree with that statement? Moreover, what do you mean that you were honest when you didn’t have to be? As someone who feels compelled to always be honest, I don’t understand.
I’m sorry, but I cannot allow you to put words in my mouth. There simply isn’t a post on this or any other forum in which I stated what you claim.
No, and my manhood has nothing to do with. Let me explain.
First, I have done or said nothing that I feel merits an apology. Once again, if you feel it is disrespectful to you for me to opine that trying to pass off substandard credentials as legitimate is dishonest, I can’t help it. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it (until I change my mind).
Second, I am not at war nor do I harbor any feelings of animosity towards you. Therefore, declaring a truce is unwarranted. I do appreciate you declaring a truce, however.
Third, I am plagued with a memory that forgets very little of what I’ve read seen or heard (it’s a curse). Therefore, as much as I’d like to, I cannot forget. I can’t even forgive you, as (contrary to your thinking I can’t take it) I have not taken personal offense at anything you’ve said or done. (OK, maybe the threats were a bit over the top.)
Fourth, please reread my first comment. Although I do not feel I have been disrespectful, I will redouble my efforts to be sensitive to your plight. In other words, I accept your apology and will make every effort to ensure that you do not so easily perceive my comments on your posts as combative.
Lastly, I would like to share an observation. One of the more interesting and valuable lessons learned in those courses you have disdained and referred to as “fluff” is the experience of having your ideas and opinions questioned, thrashed, and even trashed, without taking it personally. This experience and ability is invaluable, as mature civil discussion demands no less. In other words, it isn't about you.
Sharing the limelight with Gus- I made it. I have to call my mom now.
I would imagine she screens her calls! JK
The only thing Gus appears to be 'expert' in is playing with words,
which is all too common with pseudo academic medical people.
He certainly seems to lack any ability to read and digest any persons DL viewpoint, particularly when it does not confirm his
As I've suggested before, Gus should have lessons in civility from Dr Rich.
'Duck Boy' in 'paradise'.
And as I've intimated before, if I'm the new standard bearer, I bequeath the same to Gus, who if far more patient, diligent, and careful with his words than I am.
What, exactly, did the above add to the discussion? It appears to me to be a gratuituous flame.
Heh, heh, heh. Good one.
You took a real beating for describing the real world rather than the one some wish to see. In simply saying this is what I've discovered, you've been branded, convicted, and sentenced to execution. I enjoyed this thread, and I'm glad you decided to weather the storm to present what you happened upon. It's very plain that degree mill diplomas are slipping through many cracks in the system. To have found this and reported it isn't a sin, but rather a virtue. Would you attackers prefer to have not known about this,and have it hidden, or have it brought to the light of day to be discussed and debated? Atlas, thanks for bringing this up, and if more such information is discovered, bring it forward. A problem should be exposed not hidden. This you did, and rightly so.
Mr. 1212 was caught stretching the truth, at best and at worst lying, when he claimed that Bellevue (probably untrue about the UIU claims as well) had investigated SRU and found their degrees to be fully equivalent to RA. From the email that he did post, there was no reference to any investigation of SRU degrees or programs. Mr. 1212 apparently fabricated that whole part of the claim.
I suspect St. Regis University does not appear in any authoritative guide to foreign universities.
I doubt their purchased approval will remediate the above.
If these hold true, there is absolutely no reason to think credits and degrees sold by SRU will be accepted by admissions officials at accredited universities in the U.S.
If (a big IF) SRU is listed in the PIER Country Series (I doubt it) or the IHU (more likely, but only if the approval they purchased is from the correct source--again, doubtful), a "graduate" with an SRU degree MIGHT get admitted to an accredited school. More likely, the admissions officer will do some checking and find out about the true nature of the outfit. (I wonder if admissions offices share information--a blacklist, perhaps?)
Could Atlas be right? Could a holder of an SRU degree get admitted to an accredited university on the basis of it? It's a possibility. But, IMHO, not a very likely one. Tick....tick....tick....
Even if it slipped through the cracks, the student would likely not be able to finish any graduate program with such a poor foundation. If they managed to still struggle on, then it would be sad for them to waste a huge amount of effort on a graduate program, just to be kicked out after it was discovered that they were an academic fraud.
Just curious if anyone ever contacted Bellevue in order to get first hand contradiction of what atlas has posted? This seems like it would have been a very quick and easy thing to do. Maybe I just overlooked it in the 5 pages of posts.
Bellevue did not respond to my email. I assume they are suitably embarrassed and hope it just goes away.
I believe, in one post, Dr. Bear called the registrar directly and they said they would not accept such degrees.
Good enough for the Bearman - good enough for me.
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