PhD Business Administration, Paris College of International Education

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by TeacherBelgium, Jul 10, 2021.

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  1. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Call it whatever you like.
    Legally it's a state-authorized non-accredited PhD.

    That works for me.

    Plus soon I'm starting a degree at UoPeople in health sciences that is nationally accredited.

    My boss told me a few days ago : "I would even have hired you without degrees. We hired you for your skills and your great negotiation skills".
    So yeah...
    These programmes are mostly a bonus for me.
    The level 6 diploma I achieved, the associate's degree and the Ui1 masters are enough for my job. The rest is icing on the cake.

    Besides, I love Coursera!

    Oh and I still have two free / cheap diplomas from XAMK coming up that you too were following courses from.
    So icing and decoration on the cake enough.

    Have a great evening.

    Best regards,
    TB
     
  2. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    7000 Euros for a program without state-recognition or any kind of accreditation (?!) is a lot of money.
    I would rather go for UNC/Azteca for that kind of money.
     
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  3. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    Nationally Accredited is the "bad" kind of accreditation. It's not considered a "real" degree by various evaluators. I remember it's considered no good by Anabin in Germany and possibly by the government in the Netherlands. Other countries, I'm less sure of. Again, if you want to do it for YOU then that is fine. But don't expect everyone to accept your UoPeople degree.
     
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  4. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Also Canada only considers RA degrees to be "real" so my MBA will not accepted sur la terre de mes aïeux :(
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What are your plans for using the degree? In what way does it "work for you"? Will it work for other situations as well?
     
  6. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    ECE.org (NACES) has recently got into Canadian evaluation. I am wondering how they would evaluate your DEAC-accredited MBA. https://www.ece.org/ECE/Applicants-to-Canadian-Institutions/Further-Education-in-Canada. I know a guy who received a DEAC Master's and got accepted into a university in Quebec for his doctorate. The good news is that you can still use your NA degree in most professional settings in Canada. But it's definitely a strange situation when the Toronto Star runs an article on how Canadians are studying at the University of the People (I remember seeing such an article while I was still living in Canada) and omits any info on the struggles with NA degree recognition within Canada. There should be an outcry over the situation. The Alliance of Credential Evaluation Services of Canada is acting like a bully. (http://canalliance.org/en/). This should not be tolerated.
     
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  7. Acolyte

    Acolyte Active Member

    Just a little while ago, only AACSB was going to be good enough...now completely unaccredited but "legal" degree is just fine? :confused:o_O
     
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  8. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    "People of the same trade seldom meet together even for merriment and diversion but the conversation ends at a conspiracy against the public." - Adam Smith
     
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  10. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    I like the institution.
    The degree can be legalized.
    I will use the knowledge from my dissertation to advance my management and leadership skills on the job.
    Since no job description requires a PhD I will just list it on my resume as icing on the cake.
    Since I'm already in the work field it's most important for me now to develop practically applicable, useful skills.
    The PhD is just a nice bonus.
    I like the program though and I like the assistance from my dissertation advisor.
    I also love writing and reading so it is not something that makes me suffer while doing it.
    I love critically reflecting about my future role in hopefully a management position and already thinking towards that moment, which this dissertation allows me to do.
    That and I will be authorized to put the letters PhD in a business card.
    But I will not specifically do something with the degree.
     
  11. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    University of the People has an alliance with a Canadian university.
    So it would be really weird if Canadian WES would reject DEAC accredited degrees.
    I saw on Quora that one such degree was accepted for evaluation as a Canadian masters.
     
  12. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    UoPeople is accepted just fine.
    Various people with a UoPeople degree work at my company.

    Oh and apparently you forgot that UoPeople has candidacy for RA, so soon the degree they will award me will be RA.

    Or is that not acceptable either to you, Rachel?
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, hopefully. It's not certain, but regional accreditors take candidacy pretty seriously so I agree that's very likely.

    Either way, though, when discussing nationally accredited schools, descriptions like "bad" and not "real" are too strong, even internationally.
     
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  14. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    I like their mission and I like the way their system is set up.
    Their type of accreditation matters less to me anyway since 3 people in my company have their main degree from this school.
    UoPeople is amazing.
     
  15. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

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    I'm sure UoPeople's tuition will go up if they achieve RA status. Funny thing is, degrees from schools that are candidates for accreditation (pre-accredited) are being accepted for employment as well as transfer to other schools. I know the US federal government is accepting people who have degrees from pre-accredited schools. I believe that foreign evaluations that have a degree equivalency that states non-accredited or non-regionally accredited can almost be considered pre-accredited in order to get any type of recognition.
     
  16. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    Not to continue on with the notion of the red flags I saw early on, but I’d just consider some reflection on what you mentioned above as your goals and plans…. this institution might be detrimental to those goals and plans... The legalese/accreditation issues may be one thing, and you can always default to the notion that "...it technically wasn't illegal for them to issue you a doctorate". The greater challenge though is the institutions reputation, particularly with what comes up from a quick Google search. When it comes to that, the red flags mentioned previously... are what potential hiring committees are primarily going to see... While I haven't known Mr. Bear outside of his forum posts, when he was more active, his emphasis that one should consider an institution that will help them in the future and not just now is worth reflecting on. As you grow your career, leave an entry level position, climb the corporate/firm ladder, etc... do you really want to have the icing of your resume be something... that might... hamper the successes you've achieved in your career and education previously? Perhaps in Belgium things are different when it comes to hiring practices, but many resume screeners and hiring committees don't delve too deep when red flags start to appear...
     
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  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Being a candidate for regional accreditation is a strong position. Most schools that achieve candidacy status go on to "full" accreditation. Most, but not all.
     
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  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's a well-established practice to treat degrees from RA candidate schools as coming from accredited schools. Nothing unusual there. Most--but not all--candidates go on to be accredited.
     
  19. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    I don't care. You do what you want. I'm just puzzled that HAU "wasn't good enough" but all of a sudden PCIE and UoPeople are. A degree from HAU would be much more widely accepted than either PCIE or UoPeople and wouldn't come with any baggage either.
     
  20. Messdiener

    Messdiener Member

    It's been a while since I looked at their site, but didn't Domuni have some partnerships in France to offer civil degrees in addition to their ecclesiastical ones?
     

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