Oregon starts labelling "diploma mills"

This statement is absolutely false. In the ruling for the Florida law it was EXPLICITLY stated that the tenet of the law was sound and would be for the general public good, it went further to even suggest that the legislature should rewrite the poorly formed part of the law for the public good.

 

I shall look forward to reading your evaluation of the reseach. Rich's dissertation is not about distance learning, per se, but is a study about how diiferent types of higher education institutions and accrediting agencies (legitimate and otherwise) are perceived and accepted by human resource professionals (who make hiring decisions). It is definately within the scope of "non-traditional higher education", which is Rich's identified discipline.

Many have called for research in this area and Rich is one of the only people to answer this call. Some of his findings are both enlightening and disturbing (the HR professionals surveyed demonstrated ignorance regarding different types of accreditation and made erroneous assumptions based on institutions' names) and encouraging (a minimal amount of training solved many of these problems).

I don't care for Union's nomenclature "Project Demonstrating Excellence", when it is, in fact, a regularly formatted doctoral dissertation. As far as its "value to society, its quality and its overall presentation", that it a subjective decision (so you have as much right as any of us to express an opinion). For me, there is enough "relevant new information" for me to reference Rich's study in my fall presentation at the conference for the major professional association for educational technology.

If you are looking for this dissertation to be some kind of "smoking gun" to show that Rich's work is somehow below doctoral level, I'm afraid you will be disappointed.

Looking forward to reading your impressions...

Tony Pina
Faculty, Instructional Technology
California State U. San Bernardino

 

Bruce wrote:

> I would certainly hope that I would be mentioned in
> any "new" Gang of Six.

Too bad, Bruce, you didn't make the AED troll's list of eight "outspoken degreeinfo idiots":
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9c602e41.0404121718.7b7954fb%40posting.google.com

 

"If nominated I will not run. If elected I will not serve"...err, umm, no that's the wrong speech. Let's see..."It's an honor just to be nominated" no, that's not it either. Oh hell, everybody knows that all I ever did was flog duck-boy for a while. If that's all you have to do then anyone could make the list. He's not that smart and he's made so many bad decisions that you don't even have to do much in the way of research. So, they're probably correct about the talent part. It doesn't take much to expose these morons.

Jack
(BTW, I do in fact like coffee)

 

I enjoyed the referencing of the ODA website because it is a reliable resource for what is a degree mill.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Bill my friend, sorry, but you are wrong again. Please, read the Holy “Bear” Book # 15, page 35.

In Florida, the law that made it a misdemeanor to use an unaccredited degree “was challenged in Court”.

What Court? The Supreme Court of Florida in 1995

What decision? “Unconstitutional”. (The Bear Man)

What happen, with the rewrite? The next year we can celebrate the 10 anniversary of no rewrite.

Sooooooooo, at this time, the people that have a degree from a legal unaccredited institution of higher education can use them.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Bill my friend, sorry, but you are wrong again. Please, read the Holy “Bear” Book # 15, page 35.

In Florida, the law that made it a misdemeanor to use an unaccredited degree “was challenged in Court”.

What Court? The Supreme Court of Florida in 1995

What decision? “Unconstitutional”. (The Bear Man)

What happen, with the rewrite? The next year we can celebrate the 10 anniversary of no rewrite.

Sooooooooo, at this time, the people that have a degree from a legal unaccredited institution of higher education can use them.

 

give a client a tube of glue...

In Florida. And only if the job description doesn't require an RA degree. It doesn't work very well in Georgia, it seems.

It might be legal to glue your lips together (Crazy glue! Glue of a thousand uses!). Even so, it's not such a good idea.

G

 

Dear Police,

I have read that and I've read the ruling by the court. Your initial statement was false regarding that ruling.

My response was the absolute truth. The piece of the law that was ruled unconstitutional was that the law went too far when it restricted the use of all unaccredited degrees. The court said that it was unfair and unconstitutional to the people that held those valid degrees. The law left no opening for the valid cases, for example, a start up that eventually gets accredited.

I'm quite certain that they didn't have PWU in mind to fit into the valid category since PWU is an example of a substandard institution. They explicitly stated that the law's intent to restrict the use of substandard degrees would be for the public good and they encouraged the legislature to rewrite the law.

 

Given this definition below of a diploma mill from the ODA website, I'd say the application of the label to California Pacific University is completely incorrect. I'm surprised that the ODA is so reckless. The must be trying to provoke lawsuits or force schools to register with them. I suppose I'm not understanding how publishing incorrect information protects consumers in Oregon.

Cheers,

Dave

Diploma Mills (D)
"Diploma mill" or "degree mill" means an unaccredited school that meets any one of the following conditions. (a) Issues degrees without requiring any student academic work. (b) Issues degrees based solely on the student's life experience or portfolio without requiring any college-level work submitted to and evaluated by faculty with appropriate academic degrees from standard institutions. (c) Issues degrees using more than 50 percent of required credits based on the student's life experience or portfolio.

 

This site has proven to be a boon in regards to relevent/up-to-date information. Thankyou, Mr. John Bear for initiating this site, you've already saved me a lot of money.

As, I'm looking for an accredited university, in order to continue with studies via D.L if possible, the multitude of opinions as to what qualifies or defines a degree conferring institution has become invaluable.

However, debates( heated ,but "controlled") and provided they(the debates) stay on topic, are invaluable in generating and "airing,"alternate points of contention. This in turn, I have always believed, encourages, deeper discourse and discussion. The basis for all debate then is, to uncover a workable middle-ground, and foster a greater understanding of the issues in the process.

My question is, why does the political bias of a distant section of the world(NZ) lend credence to an argument involving Maori/Native-New Zealanders televison funding? I cannot find/see how, a comparison between Oregon's creative accounting practices and funding operandi, would draw parrallels?

I was very surprised to see this "evidencial aspect"introduced in a forum of higher learning and discussion as it reeked of minority bashing.

By "Maori", I take this to mean a political noun(determined through the contextual usage), to describe an indigenous collective?

Is this to imply that indigenous television (minority television does, exist in the US?) is unworthy of a slice of the tax payer pie?

In contrast, how is tax-payer spending justified in sudsidizing high-brow(high-culture) entertainment; for example, the NZ symphony orchestra? Wouldn't this benefit a narrow elitist segment of the population cum socio-economic spread yet regularly demand, funding?

In reference to funding or the right to public funding. wasn't a "contract", signed between your "forebears"( I'm speculating your probably 1/2 generations removed) and the original inhabitants of that land? Which, if I read "it" correctly, was a generously weighted agreement (in the favor of colonists) to share their homelands with the settlers? wasn't this supposed to exist in expectation of an agreed exchange involving; "education"; and technology transfer, without yielding their right to self-governance ? What then makes "them"(the indigenous New Zealanders) unworthy, to operate and manage a medium that presents their culture and heritage perspectives?

Are they NOT viewed as equal partners worthy of equal consideration in matters that directly represent "their" unique perspective? And , would it not be true to claim also that, non-native New Zealanders, who may "relish," an opportunity to peruse a non-mono-cultural viewpoint, will "develop" a greater understanding of the country in which they reside?

To bring rabid politically driven "supportive evidence" bordering on racist conjecture and generalization defies decorum, civility, or scholarship. If this is the "learned" application of a cumulative-amount-of-years in academic pursuit in New Zealand, than I certainly have no intention of applying for courses there.

My apologies for swerving off-topic as I expected more from such a learned and lettered elite.

 

Welcome aboard.

The person who made such a fetish of Maori TV now chiefly posts on another board whose major occupation is denouncing us for refusing to promote just the very degree mills from which John Bear's books warned you away! He still has the right to post here but rarely does so, preferring the company of people whose vituperation and personal attacks resulted in the removal of the privilege of posting (in accordance with the TOS to which they agreed). I couldn't agree more with your strictures upon cultural bias, but you are blasting exactly the wrong people.

Best wishes to you,
Janko the Mad Priest

 

No problem... I got all excited thinking we were going to talk more about the utility (or lack thereof) of the ODA's inaccurate list... Yawn.

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........

 

Diploma Mills

You guys are supposed to hold Doctorates????


Amazing.........