So is the degree makes the person grate or person makes the degree grate? Or combination of the above? Take a class of graduates are they all equal? NO They had the same program took the same examinations yet they are deferent with deferent talents. Then there are good teachers such as a professor I had in philosophy classes and there are lousy professors I had more than one of this as well. Now there Columbia and Harvard and there are AIU etc. Are Harvard graduates on the same level as AIU? J There is DETC and RA. There is reality, as some one once told me the prove is in the pudding. and there is Mr Gates Bill Gates.