Obama got a fake SSN?

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  1. Ike

    Ike New Member

    Have you ever seen President Bush's birth certificate or President Clinton's birth certificate?

    President Obama was born in Hawaii. The republican governor and the lieutenant governor of Hawaii, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc cannot be in collusion to deceive the American people. Case closed. Get over it. President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the President of the United States of America. He will be the president of this country for at least four years. You should get over that one to.

    In case you don’t know, Barack Obama Sr. married two white American women. His other children by the second American woman were born in Kenya. After Barack Obama Sr. divorced Stanley Ann Dunham (the President’s mother), he married another American woman (Ruth Nidesand) and took her to Kenya, where they had two other children (Mark and David Obama). Ruth Nidesand, who is a white woman, is still living in Nairobi, Kenya today. She now goes by Ruth Ndesandjo because she remarried. Obama’s siblings from this white woman look like the President because they are also mulattos. Some Kenyan's were confused initially because they were not aware of the fact that Obama Sr. married two white women. A Kenyan nurse once claimed that she was there when President Obama was born in Nairobi. She later recanted her story after she learnt that Mark Obama is the person whom she witnessed his birth.

    Once again, get over it. The President is an American by birth. Someone on this board suggested that I don’t know anything about President Obama. That’s not true. I know about him more than many people here. My former wife is from Kenya and is a member of Obama’s tribe (Luo). As a matter of fact, I have been to the village of the Obama clan (Kogelo). I am surprised that nobody is talking about the oil spill in the gulf region.

    Please read this article about Ruth Nidesand Ndesandjo and other mulatto siblings of the president
     
  2. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member


    Ummm....then stop posting here and post in the section about the spill where we have been talking about it. lol
     
  3. Ike

    Ike New Member


    Dou you believe now that the President is an American by birth?
     
  4. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I always said I belived he was born here. Re-read what I posted.
     
  5. Ike

    Ike New Member

    I came to that conclusion after reading your first five posts. I am glad that you believe that he is an American citizen by birth.
     
  6. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I am staying out of this from now on.......I think I will be in the middle but people like you make your side look bad with be over pushy and aggressive. You’re just as bad as a birther!
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I wouldn't, if I were him. The birthers sound so ridiculous to most swing voters that egging them on only makes them continue to marginalize themselves.

    -=Steve=-
     
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    Exactly. Why should he? He has already been screened and checked by various government background investigations. Don't the birthers think Obama not being a President would have been discovered prior to Obama being elected? Just more Fox news bullcrap.


    Abner :)
     
  9. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    By the way, you have to show a certified copy of your "actual" birth certificate to join the U.S. Military, not the computer-generated certificate of live birth.

    Suspicion? Note that President Obama personally visited the Hawaii Secretary of State during the trip to visit his dying Grandmother to seal his actual birth certificate, before visiting his Grandmother, when then candidate Obama was on the campaign trail. This event was right about the time that FactCheck.org put up the "photoshopped" version of the Certificate of Live Birth that was proven to have been altered in graphics editing program.

    Why won't Obama do what every member of the U.S. Military is required to do? (Show is actual birth certificate.) My guess is that his real name is not "Barack Hussein Obama"... His dad was sort of flake and ran off after getting his mother pregnant. The name on his birth certificate is probably "Barry Dunham", which is his mother's maiden name. This speculation sort of makes sense when you look at the paperwork for when President Obama's Indonesian stepfather (Mr. Soetoro) adopted him and President Obama became an Indonesian citizen. His name at that time was Barry Soetoro. Additional fact: that Indonesian passport is what Obama used to travel to Pakistan during the summer between Occidental College and Columbia University, since US citizens were not allowed unrestricted travel to Pakistan at that time.

    All that said, President Obama and his half-sister (Ms. Soetoro), have said at several different times that Obama was born in just about every hospital on the Island of Oahu. Hence, Obama will be one of the first U.S. President's without a historical marker at his birth place; nobody seems to know where on the Island of Oahu that he was born.

    (The logician might step in here and point out that for Obama to be born in Hawaii, he must have been born at a SPECIFIC LOCATION in the State of Hawaii... For example, when I visit my aging Mother and we happen to drive through the town where I was born, she points to the hospital AND the very room in the hospital and says, "You were born right there!"):D
     
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  10. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Ike, not to completely "cut your argument off at the knees", but what does that have to do with President Obama's birth certificate? Wouldn't it be more logical to discuss facts surrounding the current President?

    For example, if I wanted to discuss President Obama's alleged nicotine addiction, would it be relevant to discuss President Clinton's alleged sex addiction or President Bush's alleged alcohol addiction?
     
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  11. raristud

    raristud Member

    Even if his long form birth certificate were released, many would still doubt his place of birth.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That sounds like that would be a serious and unnecessary impediment to recruitment. I mean, I don't have one, and expect a lot of other people are like that too, so whatever the Washington, D.C. Vital Records Division sends, take it or leave it.

    -=Steve=-
     
  13. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The point is that there is no long form. The state of Hawaii does not issue them anymore and hasn't for several years, so there would be no way to get it anyway. The form that Obama has shown the world was dated from a few days after his birth, meaning, that it is the document that he probably has known his entire life as his "birth certificate," which, by the way, the State of Hawaii agrees with. The certification of live birth IS a birth certificate. That should be the end of the discussion, but as you have mentioned, it doesn't matter what evidence is ever presented, the birthers would still not change their minds about it.

    Even Ann Coulter doesn't buy into that brand of nonsense :eek:
     
  14. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    This is simply not true. The certification of live birth is not the birth certificate that was signed my medical personnel and has the child's name at birth. Why all the misinformation...? It doesn't make sense. What are you afraid of? President Obama had his birth certificate sealed when he went to visit his dying grandmother. What did he have sealed? His birth certificate. I don't see the benefit of spreading all this misinformation on his behalf.

    President Obama won't present his birth certificate for some reason... The Commander in Chief won't lead our Nation and the U.S. Military by example. We don't know why. President Obama can't prove he was born at some location in Hawaii, so we can't even erect a historical marker at his birth place. These are facts.

    You can't protect Obama with the sort of myths that you are spreading, so you might want to try to defend him with facts...
     
  15. raristud

    raristud Member

    You are wrong. Here is his long form birth certificate. http://peoplespassions.org/images/certificate.jpg
     
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    raristud Member

  17. raristud

    raristud Member

    This is an image of a newspaper announcement that discloses his birth. As everyone can see, his birth is dated August 4th, 1961. Note the youtube link above is merely to entertain conspiracy theories and the faint possibility that in another reality he may have been born offshore. I believe he is a US Citizen. No one knows what happened in 1961 but Obama and his immediate family. We only have his short form birth certificate and comments from the state of hawaii. If he does have a long form birth certificate sealed, should he produce it?

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  18. Mitchell

    Mitchell New Member

  19. raristud

    raristud Member

    Yes she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia. Maya Soetoro-Ng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. What she may have, and I don't have evidence of this, is a certificate of foreign birth. I'm not familiar with the certificate of foreign birth. I don't doubt her American citizenship since her mother was a US citizen.

    http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-120.pdf
     
  20. raristud

    raristud Member

    The case may be that she doesn't have a US birth certificate or a state issued certificate of foreign birth. Has she revealed a Hawaii birth certificate?
     

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