Obama got a fake SSN?

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  1. raristud

    raristud Member


    I assume, based the evidence I have seen, that she did travel and raise Obama in Indonesia. Regardless, I wonder if immigration or any other US agency has evidence of her travels. I'm sure they would. This could help reduce "birther" conspiracy theories, that Obama was born in the US. That is if Obama ever wanted to do this. Regardless of his Hawaii birth certificate, there are still lingering questions that some people are inquiring about. Especially about his alleged long form birth certificate and whether or not he had one at birth. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
     
  2. raristud

    raristud Member

    Outside the US not "in the US". Sorry about that.
     
  3. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    They haven't thought that far ahead because if President Obama is removed from office early then we would have 1) Joe Biden take office or, if they can prove that he is also not qualified, 2) Nancy Pelosi will be sworn in as president. That is, of course, if the so-called birthers and tea-baggers really believe in the Constitution and how it calls for succession to office if the president is incapacitated or impeached. See the 25th Amendment and Title 3, United States Code, Section 19 for details.
     
  4. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Well, Obama won't be removed from office early, because there is no constitutional test for natural born citizenship...

    Plus, talking too much, having no leadership experience (or aptitude?), flying all over the world without good reason, and failing undergraduate macroeconomics are not exactly "high crimes and misdemeanors." :D
     
  5. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    Oh man, Tom makes a good point. I'm pretty sure Pelosi is the very, very, very last person in the entire country that most conservatives would like to see as sitting president.
     
  6. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    The Speaker of the House only advances to the U.S. Presidency if both the U.S. President and U.S. Vice President are simultaneously incapacitated. Normally, in modern times, the Vice President who was advanced to the Presidency, has picked some equally yawn-o-rific successor such as the Nixon > Ford > Rockefeller succession...
     
  7. james_lankford

    james_lankford New Member

    well if Obama was removed from office for not being a citizen wouldn't his Vice President, his entire cabinet (including Sec of State Hillary), all his supreme court appointees and all his military appointees automatically also be removed from office ?

    because if Obama was never legally qualified to be president then he never had the legal authority to make any appointments

    so any appointments he had made would be invalid
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    or maybe it was an alien abduction, or bigfoot, or the lochness monster. maybe he was born in neverneverland with peter pan. are you guys really serious about this stuff?
     
  9. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    Forget the specifics that brought up this issue. That is a damn good question and potential factoid about our government. I just want to know. If any president was removed from office because he was not qualified to be there in the first place...let's just say, play along because I want to know the answer, would the country also lose the members of government he appointed.

    I suspect, No. Only because the undertaking would be too great and the country could very well collapse so we would just ignore it.

    Sorry Kizmet, my curiosity is more about the system than the guy running the show at the moment. Nobody involved in this thread thinks (anymore) that he is likely unqualified (I don't think!). Now we are just babbling about things that could never come to be, but it's always fun to talk about!

    And thanks Dave for correcting me! I had no idea that the new president got to appoint a new VP. I guess I haven't been aware long enough to get to see anything like that (thankfully!).
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Biden wasn't appointed by Obama, he was elected to be vice president by the electoral college. In this alternate universe where Obama is removed from office, he'd still become president.

    -=Steve=-
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    No need to apologize ricky. If people want to discuss hypothetical issues I have no problem with that. However, after sprinting through this thread I did not come away with the idea that this was a hypothetical discussion. Rather, I came away with the idea that there continues to be a group of people who are contesting the President's citizenship, etc. It's a good thing to be aware of the details of presidential succession. Here's a link that may help:

    United States presidential line of succession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  12. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    I suppose I'm due for a review. Thanks for the link!
     
  13. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    Check this out! This is from Kizmet's link.
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    "On March 4, 1849, James K. Polk's presidency ended on a Sunday. President-elect Zachary Taylor declined to be sworn in on a Sunday, citing religious beliefs. Senate President pro tempore David Rice Atchison's tombstone states that he was President for the day. However, given that the last day of Atchison's own term as Senate President pro tempore was March 3, that claim seems dubious. Indeed, since Atchison took no oath of office to the presidency, it is not logical to label Atchison as a president on the basis of Taylor merely not taking the oath."

    - Wikipedia


    It doesn't say why the speaker of the house was not the president for this particular day.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In that era, the President pro tempore of the Senate was third in line and the House speaker was fourth. Nowadays it's the other way around.
     

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