Obama got a fake SSN?

That's an interesting question...

The Secretaries of State of each of the 50 States, etc., did not require it when his name was placed on the ballot and seem generally confused about what the test for a natural born citizen should be.

The original birth certificate certainly exists, because he went to seal it. Most likely, the document probably creates more confusion about his birth location, birth name, or something... As to what that is, we may never now. I believe his birth name is Barry Dunham, not "Barack Hussein Obama", but that is just a guess.

However, as a one time adjunct professor of law, Obama is smart enough to know that there are few legal precedents in Constitutional Law for determining natural born citizenship. Besides, McCain supporters couldn't do anything about it anyway, because McCain was born in a hospital off-post in Panama City, so his natural born citizenship could be in question as well; he wasn't actually born at a military installation.

 

Mccain's parents were both US Citizens and his father was in the US military. There are silly conspiracy theories out there that question his citizenship.

United States Code: Title 8,1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth | LII / Legal Information Institute

Even if Obama was born outside of the United States, I argue that he would qualify to be president under US Code Title 8. His mother worked for the United States Agency for International Development.

1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date.

Ann Dunham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

There is no way that President Obama could have been born in Kenya or Indonesia or in another country. First off, President Obama's mother (Ann Dunham) never visited Kenya in her lifetime. Secondly, she married Lolo Soetoro about 4 years after Barack Obama Jr. was born. Thirdly, the first country that the President's mother visited is Indonesia and that happened when the President was about 6 years.

 

Out of curiosity I checked my daughter's birth certificate from Pennsyvania - it is titled "birth registration notice" and says that the official certificate of birth has been filed and affords the opportunity to make corrections. She used this document to obtain a US Passport and to get a SSN.

 

I never said he was born in Kenya, Indonesia, or any other country. Are you intimate with the Obama family? So what if she didn't visit Kenya. She married Mr Soetoro. Your point? The first country obama's mother visited is Indonesia? How do you know and so what? Please provide links to supplement your post.

 

Ike there is nothing wrong in discussing conspiracy theories and historical possibilities. It can be an intellectual pursuit. Some of these theories can eventually be debunked. In regards to the facts, what we have is Obama's Hawaii issued electronic copy of his birth certificate, which is legal. The other fact is collection of statements made by the state of Hawaii verifying that he was born in Hawaii. However, there is the issue of the long form birth certificate. That is what has me intrigued. What does it contain? If the following is an authentic copy of the certificate of live birth, what ever happened to Obama's copy? If the documents were converted to electronic form, what ever happened to the paper copy? These are questions that pique my interest.

http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/longform.jpg

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

 

Like I stated in my earlier post, I probably know about Obama family of Kenya more than anyone in this board. My ex-wife is from a village that is very close to Kogelo. Many birthers have stated repeatedly that he was born in Kenya. My point is that since his mother did not visit Kenya in her lifetime, and had no intention of visiting Kenya, it will be unwise to suggest that he was born in Kenya. Indonesia is out of the question because he moved to Indonesia with his mom when he was six. How do I know about that? The facts are there. Do you think that the US Immigration didn't have that record?

 

My four children were born in this country (in New Jersey). They all have birth certificates. I lost one them. However, if it is ever needed at any time in the future (I am sure that it will be needed), it can be easily pulled from the state government's computer. The one in the computer is as authentic as the printed one. They are one and the same thing. One is a softcopy and the other is a hardcopy.

 

McCain released his long form birth certificate, but BHO released a COLB with no details of the attending physician or the hospital, yet this is "proof" we are supposed to accept for the most powerful position in the world?

Here is a copy of McCain's BC:
JohnMcCain: Birth Certificate (long and short form), Colon, Panama, 1936 | Scribd

Seems like a double standard

 

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which wasn't a U.S. Territory at the time, and therefore, not U.S. soil. He wasn't even born on a military installation, but a hospital in Panama City. However, McCain is not President, we don't need to worry about whether he is a natural born citizen, as the U.S. Constitution requires, whatever that means...

When you say "silly conspiracy theories", I'm thinking that you might want to clarify what you are referring to.

 

Here is what I am talking about when I refer to "silly conspiracy theories".
"In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain's eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain's birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a "natural-born citizen."

Arizona Law Professor: McCain Not Eligible To Be President

 

The birth certificate that Obama has provided is legal and authentic. I don't doubt that. My curiosity is this, did he ever have a long form birth certificate with more detailed medical information, in the following format: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090728birthcert.gif . One of my assumptions is that Hawaii converted to electronic documents, thereby discarding his original birth certificate. He probably lost his and the state never kept a copy. People are asking for a long form and I'm curious if there is one.

You can order a birth certificate of your immediate family member online. That is the beauty of the internet.

 

We have two facts so far. Proof of this birth certificate and statements from the state of Hawaii verifying the authenticity of his birth certificate. Has immigration confirmed his mothers international travels? She did work for the government in an international capacity. Regardless of place of birth, I believe, based on US Code defining citizen of birth, that Obama is qualified to hold executive office. He produced his birth certificate and we have statements from his state of birth. Those are the facts. However, questions have been raised and there are a missing links to my puzzle of curiosity.

My father is African Caribbean and my mother is White Caribbean. I went to school in the Caribbean at various ages. His family background is interesting.

Ann Dunham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural born citizen.[52] In September 2008 U.S. District Judge William Alsup stated obiter in his ruling that it is "highly probable" that McCain is a natural born citizen from birth by virtue of 8 U.S.C. § 1401

, although he acknowledged the alternative possibility that McCain became a natural born citizen retroactively, by way of 8 U.S.C. § 1403

Natural born citizen of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

United States Code: Title 8,1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth | LII / Legal Information Institute

"On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." [63] The vote passed 378-0. [64]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States#Presidential_candidates_whose_eligibility_was_questioned

 

Thanks I was looking for that.

 

Discussing John Mccain and the what if Obama was born abroad.

-- All Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence The only issue with regard to the qualifications set out in this clause, which appears to be susceptible of argument, is whether a child born abroad of American parents is “a natural born citizen” in the sense of the clause. Such a child is a citizen as a consequence of statute.94 Whatever the term “natural born” means, it no doubt does not include a person who is “naturalized.” Thus, the answer to the question might be seen to turn on the interpretation of the first sentence of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, providing that “ all persons born or naturalized in the United States” are citizens.95

Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens .”96 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural–born subjects of the crown.97

There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens. --

CRS/LII Annotated Constitution Article II

 

One of my favorite finger foods is french fries. I love french fries from Mccain foods. Why the Obama family refuses to make Obama fries is beyond me. http://images.meredith.com/fitness/images/2008/11/ss_McCain5MinuteFries.jpg

 

I know. Those are some of the most amusing chapters in the debate about the U.S. Constitution... Imagine those senators and representatives at home watching an episode of "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?" and realizing that Congress can't amend the U.S. Constitution, and the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't have to listen to a word they say...

 

I didn't confirm his mom's international travels with the U.S. immigration. However, the facts can be deduced from the hyperlink that you provided as well as from the President's published books and memoirs. Also, if her travels are important to anyone, especially the birthers, I am sure that the U.S. immigration will provide the record if they are ordered by a court of law to provide it.

 

Well here's something that I found that challenges my own posts in favor of his qualification for president. This manual appears to be in contradiction to US Code Title 8

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs

Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth. Could this be why they issued a non-binding resolution and was Colon Hospital on a military installation as state here:

-- John McCain was born on August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912).[2] At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control.[3] --


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

Citizen McCain - Fact Checker

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

United States Code: Title 8,1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth | LII / Legal Information Institute

Another conspiracy theory.

-- Exclusive tidbit for conspiracy theorists: There is no record of McCain's birth in the bound birth registers of the Panama Canal Zone Health Department, which are available for public inspection at the National Archives in College Park, Md. Here is a sample page from the August 1936 birth register.