Newlane University

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  1. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!

    Just got an ad on facebook that Newlane University is now "accredited" by ASIC. Well, I guess we all know what that means. - Nothing.

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
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  2. asianphd

    asianphd Member

    Yeah, got that email too. I believe this is an honest effort from them. I like Philosophy!
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I hope you're right. Too often, in my experience, schools appear to represent their ASIC accreditation as somehow bolstering their degree-granting powers - which they often don't have very much of, in their own country. In some cases, none at all.

    I can't say Newlane is guilty of this, at least so far. Its web page still says it's unaccredited and operates under State of Utah authority. ASIC itself says that its accreditation does not grant or enhance degree-granting functions and an ASIC-accredited school should rely on the degree-granting powers accorded it in its own country. I trust Newlane won't make any statements to the contrary.

    I'm not a great fan of philosophy. Western Philosophy (at least) has, as I see it, failed to answer conclusively its own fundamental questions for the last 2500 years. It has also been wide open to gross misuse by tyrants, exploiters and genocide-bringers. Lock it down! Call the HAZMAT team! (Not really - but study at your own risk.)
     
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  4. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!


    As the well-known British philosopher Mark Knopfler put it in the magnificient work "Industrial Disease":

    Yeah, now the work force is disgusted, downs tools, walks
    Innocence is injured, experience just talks
    Everyone seeks damages, everyone agrees that
    These are classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze
    On ITV and BBC they talk about the curse

    Philosophy is useless, theology is worse
    History boils over, there's an economics freeze
    Sociologists invent words that mean "industrial disease"


    However, there have been more serious concerns about the utility of philosophy.

    The German philosopher Odo Marquard stated in 1973 that philosoply has de facto lost its right to exist. The central arguments were that 2500 years ago, philosophy was an universal discipline which was competent to explain everything, but other disciplines did the job better: religion did a better job to tell the people how to live correctly and to get saved, technology did a better job in being generally useful, and politics did a better job to tell people how to live successfully and happily together. So, the only job which stayed for the philosophy to do was to compensate one's own incompetence (in original: Inkompetenzkompensationskompetenz - as stated in another thread).

    Any fluent German speaker can read this stuff here. https://philosophisches-jahrbuch.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/PJ81_S341-349_Marquard_Über-Kompetenz-und-Inkompetenz.pdf. It is very funny, but even difficult to read for a native speaker!!


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I agree in spirit, but disagree as a matter of consequence. To wit: an otherwise unaccredited school claiming accreditation by ASIC is engaging in a mis-direction. In the US, "accreditation" has a direct connotation regarding the acceptability of the degrees issued by the school. ASIC accreditation carries no such impact. In other words, "accreditation" by ASIC doesn't mean "accredited" here in the US. But many consumers do not know to make that distinction.

    Programmatic accreditors here in the US typically require a school be institutionally accredited as well. It would be nice if ASIC had such a requirement.
     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Agree with your whole post totally. And yes it would be nice - but I don't think it's on the horizon. ASIC wouldn't sell nearly as many packages, if its prospect schools were already accredited - in the normal US sense. Why would such schools buy them? You don't invest in a veneer of respectability when you can display the real thing. As long as the school carries the mandatory disclaimer on not having USDoE or CHEA recognized accreditation, that's as much as we can hope for. Not what we'd like perhaps, but all we'll likely get.

    Would be "nice" if the disclaimer had to be full-page, in 36-point type. But that's not happening, either.
    Perhaps there could be a short-fingered Presidential "Total Ban on Foreign Accreditation" :) (I kid you, of course.)
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    He's always been one of my favorites - since "Dire Straits" and "Booze Brothers" days. Raised in Northern England, he certainly knows about "Industrial Disease" - as well, probably, as anyone from the Ruhr or Saar districts of Germany.

    I've long-admired his inventive guitar-playing, but I didn't know till today that after graduating from University, he spent three years as a college lecturer before founding "Dire Straits." Any musician who lists Django Reinhardt, Chet Atkins and B.B. King among his influences is, de facto, a great one, by me.

    I'm glad Mr. Knopfler expressed an opinion on philosophy that's like my own. And thanks for noting Odo Marquardt. I think for now, I'd better stick to quoting him in English. :)
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    ... Sorry, typo. That's Odo Marquard, of course.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm confused. Who makes this mandatory? I would think that would be up to each state's laws.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Whoops. I'm in a bit of trouble here, Rich. :eek: I meant the sort of verbiage which says the school has no US Government-recognized accreditation etc. Maybe it does vary from State to State - although I seem to remember that it includes some stuff about not qualifying for Federal Student Aid. And now that I looked, I can't see such a statement on the Newlane U. site. Maybe I should get my eyes checked. Thank G*d I don't have a car - perhaps I shouldn't even have my license (unused but always renewed for the last 22 years.)

    I'm digging up a sample and will post soon. I always assumed it was mandatory. Maybe not - and very likely, as you say, not Federally so. My assumption of years and years is likely wrong and if so, I'll confess and slink away in shame for a couple of hours or so... Stay tuned. :)
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yep. I am. But not too much, I hope. As you say, Rich - this declaration is State-mandated. And only in some places. I quote from a Hawaii university site:

    "*** UNIVERSITY IS NOT ACCREDITED BY AN ACCREDITING AGENCY RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF EDUCATION."

    Caps theirs. This particular school is also ASIC-accredited and appends a statement about how they're State-required to make the declaration, even though they have ASIC accreditation which is so valuable etc.... you know.

    My apologies. Such a statement is not Federally mandated, as one might assume from my earlier post. It's State-mandated - and only in certain States. It's not being observed in DC or California, as far as I can tell. Time to do my shame-watch time now... But not too much, I hope. After all, it IS mandatory --- somewhere. :)
     
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  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I like him very much. I also like the equally well known British philosopher Gordon Sumner, particularly his treatise "Spirits In The Material World".
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yep. Sting's the man. Brilliant.
     
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  14. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!


    It is little known that they did a cooperation, "Money for Nothing" - a self-mocking diatribe regarding the showbusiness.


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sting shared a writing credit - not performance. It was a big hit for Dire Straits, Mark Knopfler's band. Sting said his only contribution was the line "I want my MTV." I liked that Dire Straits song, but I liked "Walk of Life" even more. Mark Knopfler knows way more about music than I ever will. As for Sting .... no, I can't even go there. He's a phenom.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)
     
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I remember seeing a documentary on TV long ago, about musicians' brain activity. Sting was one of their volunteer test subjects. He was sitting there, looking completely relaxed and grooving quietly on some background music. The test instruments showed the musical part of his mind was going like a bee-hive!
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "Little known"? I don't know how. As Johann notes, Sting got a writing credit for it. They've sung it together in concert. My contemporaneous memories were that everyone knew at the time it was Sting.
     
  18. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Ok, ok... Obviously, only little known in my generation... (Born 1980)
     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - there's a big difference. I was around 42 when Dire Straits hit big time. My sons were around 12 and 15. We all liked them. That was also the year Sting launched his solo career. He'd left The Police the year before - 1984.
     
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Actually, late 1983. Well, they ALL sorta did, really... I don't think there was ever a formal breakup - they just quietly went their separate ways... real gentlemen.
     
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