Nationally Accredited Universities

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  1. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    Huh? Brain fog from the term nationally accredited.

    Please list at least one or two “nationally accredited” college or university.

    Heard that Franklin and Liberty both accepts credit from those higher education institutions.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Any institutional accrediting agency that isn't a regional association is national accreditor. Thus, schools accredited by DEAC, TRACS, etc.
     
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  3. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    Thanks!
     
  4. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Regional Accreditation: Used to be 6 + NY (before WASC split into two)

    1. Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges
    (formerly part of the Western Association of Schools and Colleges)
    2. Higher Learning Commission (HLC)
    (formerly part of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA))
    3. Middle States Commission on Higher Education
    4. New England Association of Schools and Colleges
    (NEASC-CIHE) Commission on Institutions of Higher Education
    (NEASC-CTCI) Commission on Technical and Career Institutions
    5. Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU)
    6. Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) Commission on Colleges
    7. Accrediting Commission for Schools, Western Association of Schools and Colleges
    (formerly part of the Western Association of Schools and Colleges)
    8. The Board of Regents of the State of New York is recognized as an accreditor.

    National Accreditation: DEAC is also recognized by CHEA*

    1. Accrediting Bureau of Health Education Schools (ABHES) (recognized by USDE)
    2. Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges (ACCSC) (recognized by USDE)
    3. Accrediting Council for Continuing Education and Training (ACCET) (recognized by USDE)
    4. Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools (ACICS) (no longer recognized)
    5. Council on Occupational Education (COE) (recognized by USDE)
    6. Distance Education Accrediting Commission (DEAC) (recognized by USDE and CHEA*)

    National Faith-Based Accreditation: (Nationally Accredited, see above)

    1. Association of Advanced Rabbinical and Talmudic Schools (AARTS)
    2. Association of Theological Schools in the United States and Canada (ATS) Commission on Accrediting
    3. Association for Biblical Higher Education (ABHE) Commission on Accreditation
    4. Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS) Accreditation Commission
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "National" and "Regional" are terms that are going away. The regionals are accrediting schools outside their respective regions. The government is trying to extinguish the difference. We'll see.
     
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  6. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    Thanks!
     
  7. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    Yes, we’ll see.
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    So long as DegreeInfo exists I expect there will be some keen to maintain that difference....
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What I'm interested in are not the distinctions, but the differences. As long as there is a significant difference in terms of degree and credit acceptance with employers and schools, I think it matters. If this difference goes away, I don't really care if there are technical distinctions.

    As I recall, the only reason this was (or is) contentious is the graduates of certain schools insisting that difference didn't exist.
     
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  10. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    It's the schools themselves that insist on the differences. A lot of them now list the specific accreditors that they'll accept, rather than just saying "regionally accredited" or "historically regionally accredited", but they won't accept transfer credits from non RA schools.
     
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    So long as the American Education system exists, there will likely be some keen to maintain the difference. Some schools, some accreditors, some credential evaluators, some critics, some employers, some students, some professors, some grads, some licensing authorities.... The difference is not going away - and it's not going anywhere - in any sense of that expression.
     
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  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    But this isn't a sliding scale. Regional accreditation is a huge gulf away from other institutional accreditation.
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Some see it as that huge gulf -- others, including the USDE don't. I'm sure you're aware of this:
    https://www.powerslaw.com/department-of-educations-accreditation-rule-seeks-to-eliminate-distinction-between-regional-and-national-accrediting-agencies/

    And as I said - just about everyone takes a stand on whether there's a huge difference or not - and even if there is, how much it matters to them. Pick an opinion and you'll find people who support it.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The USDoE has one agenda in higher education: proper distribution of federal financial aid. They don't need to make distinctions between agencies approved to accredit schools to do this. So, they don't.

    Some people want to make a case that the USDoE has decided these accreditors are equal. I don't. I think it shows that they all meet the minimum needs of the USDoE, and distinctions between them matter not to USDoE. But the DO matter in a lot of other situations, and USDoE's distinctions make zero difference.
    This was the central issue of my Union dissertation. There were differences that are statistically significant. I think its safe to say that, generally, those differences remain today. Whether or not they matter to any individual, of course, varies tremendously. But they remain very real.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not saying it isn't, but I wonder what the measurements of that gulf are, specifically in 2023.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    None that I know of, which makes it more of a problem, not less, because students don't know something that, for some, matters.

    It would be an interesting mixed methods study, where you would take some measurements, but also interview key stakeholders to examine why these differences persist.
     
  17. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    There's also the Association of Institutions of Jewish Studies on the Faith Based list.
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    There have been a couple of law schools, maybe still are, that have no regional accreditation but are ABA approved. Thomas Jefferson Law School was one and I think there was another LA area example. In this special situation, regional accreditation is much less important than the ABA'S national approval.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    There was a consequence however. ABA approval is not institutional approval. It applies only to the school's JD program. So when TJLS started offering Ll.M. and J.S.D. degrees, these were technically and legally unaccredited.
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "technically...."

    Exactly. I wonder if anyone would make that distinction in a way that actually mattered? I can see situations hypothetically, but I don't know if it would actually matter in real life.
     

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