Monte Kline in the news

I think they are related, Rich. Pretty simple, as I tend to view it:

The court admonished him not to use credentials from unaccredited sources, viz. his CPU Ph.D. State approval was not enough for the court. It is not accreditation, as we both well know. (See the judgment particulars I linked to earlier.) That should have been sufficient, but it obviously isn't. I object to his doing exactly what the Court told him not to -- calling himself "Doctor." even if "we're not in Oregon any more, Toto."

I won't dispute your assertion that in the earlier years, much good work was done by CPU grads. Unfortunately, its reputation was much damaged in the later years. I don't doubt that a considerable number of earlier grads did not get the continued mileage they expected from their investment of time and money, once the irreparable damage was done. The school lost its approval, its compass, a lawsuit and pretty well everything else...and bang! The doors were ordered shut, once and for all. It's hard for people when their once-viable school gets itself under a terminal cloud.

"But I worked so hard for my degree..."
"Yeah, I'm sure -- but look what happened to the school - so how am I supposed to believe in your degree?"

Here's the whole story on CPU. Some of the site-visit findings are pretty damning.

Columbia Pacific University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Make what you will of them...or not, as you please. But Mr. Kline was told by the Court not to use credentials from unaccredited sources. If the Court doesn't recognize him as "doctor" - why should I? :question:

And as to the eye-rolling, Jennifer has the degrees, the experience and the clout in the nutrition field. I'm not messin' with a Harvard grad. If she's rolling eyes over this - then I'm rolling 'em too.

Johann

 

Oops - sorry, Jennifer. I should have said "I'm not messin' with a Canisius College grad." I know the school -- and how very fine it is.

Johann

 

And the Distinguished Senior Member and Junior Moderator Yoda Igorovich wonders "Who necromanced this old thread ... and why?" (Johann is supposed to laugh now.)

 

Say, there, Doktorand Tireman! I have a question: Did I hear that you were teaching at one of the cc's in the Houston area? Or was I mistaking you for someone else?

 

And from what uni dost thy ThD hail?

 

Hi Ted, my ThD hails from the world bestest school, Missionary Chapel and something. I earned my degree the smart way. I bought it for $29.95, plus shipping and handling of course. And just to think that there are some fools who do theirs in 4+ years, amateurs!

See this link as a reference: Warning another degree mill.

 

Nope. It is me ( or I). I teach at Houston Community College.

 

Johann did laugh, Ted. :smile: Thanks.

I believe Mr. Kline himself - or someone using the name drmlkline - necromanced the thread. An attempt at self-promotion, as I see it. Or merely quasi-vindication, perhaps.

Johann

 

Koolcypher: "Koolcypher agrees that there's a sucker born every minute."

Or as someone -- was it Colbert? -- put it, "There's a sucker born again every minute."

 

Nobody tells me what to think, Steve - except maybe you, at times - and that's OK. :smile: But since you asked...

In this case, you're right on one point - I don't like the school. It seems to have been founded with the best of intentions - and then, as I see it, the people who ran it allowed things to happen that should not have... and so it went quite rapidly downhill and was ordered closed. I think those events hurt the earlier grads to a considerable degree ... and that should never be forgiven or forgotten.

CPU, however, is not the reason for my extreme displeasure with Mr. Kline's use of that Ph.D. It's use is a money thing. Use of that degree - which is unarguably unaccredited - enables the holder to pose as "Doctor" - indicating a properly-credentialed professional. His CPU Ph.D. does not make him a member of any profession. Ergo, I say he should not be referring to himself as "Doctor." Doing so can inveigle people (There's a word I haven't used for a while!) into thinking he may be professionally qualified in areas that he's not. The end result is merely that Mr. Klein's business will attract more "believers" and make more money.

The court's decision backs me up. I didn't need it to reach my conclusion -- but hell, since it backs me up I'll use it, cite it and rely on it. This is health. I'm a hard-liner on this particular point. If he was teaching Egyptology or something with that Ph.D. - I wouldn't care or comment.

Johann the Terrible onder:

 

Whoops! My 10 minutes is up! I meant "Its use," of course - with no apostrophe. Sorry.

J.

 

...and I also apologize for misspelling Mr. Kline's name in this one instance. J.

 

Perfectly understandable, Steve, and I'm flattered. That's the first time I've seen anything called "Johannic." I'm king of the world. :smile:

I'll put it with Maniac's "Todo estaba bien hasta que se Johannificó!!" (Everything was fine until he pulled a Johann!)

Sometimes it feels good to be me.

J

 

Correcting the Nonsense re: Monte Kline

As the subject of this series of of posts, I am amazed at:

(1) That anyone even cares about a case that ended over seven years ago.
(2) That there is so much uninformed B.S. in these postings.

Unlike the anonymous Johann (whoever you are and whatever interest you have in this old case) I am Monte Kline, Clinical Nutritionist and Founder of Pacific Health Center. A few facts that should be conveyed to the uninformed:

1. I got my Ph.D. in Nutrition and Wholistic Health Sciences from Columbia Pacific University in 1984.
2. I was persuaded to get the degree there by a then business partner who had read Dr. John Bear's recommendation at that time of CPU -- a time at which I understand he had a consulting relationship with CPU.
3. What I do in my practice of over 30 years has virtually nothing to do with my CPU degree, though the degree was based on my extensive research and writing, my first book being several times the length of the average Ph.D. thesis. The specific testing methods done at Pacific Health Center over the years were learned not in a classroom by in mentoring relationships with some of the leading practitioners in the world. Like Mark Twain, "I got my education all through my life, except for the years I was in school," or as George Bernard Shaw said, "Those who can, do; those who can't teach; those who can't teach, teach teachers."
4. The California Dept. of Education Bureau of Private & Post-Secondary Education recognizes CPU degrees granted before May 1997 as valid.
5. King County Superior Court Judge Mary Yu, who presided over my lawsuit with the State of Washington, ruled that I could claim my degree and use my doctor title in Washington.
6. A unique Oregon law, passed in I believe 1997, disallowed anyone who using a degree earned from a school not recognized by the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization. Thus, as far as I know, it is the only state where I am not "Dr. Kline," but I like the scenery here anyway. So "Johann" can whine all he wants to about refusing to call me "Dr. Kline" -- since he is only an irrelevant blog handle, I could care less about his denial.
7. As noted in my earlier post, though various culprits involved feature the story of the original lawsuit judgment that never happened, the truth is that the Washington Attorney General's Consumer Protection Division got their butts kicked by the Washington Court of Appeals who awarded me $231,000 in attorney fees. The State spent another over $700,000 prosecuting the case -- my tax dollars at work.
8. Contrary to another post, I was not "lucky" to prevail in this case. The idea that the only health care practitioner in the state offering a money-back results guarantee could be guilty of "consumer fraud" when there were no consumer complaints, was patently absurd on its face.

I can only suggest that people obsessed with a 7-10 year-old case they weren't involved in need to get a life.

Monte Kline, Ph.D., Founder
Pacific Health Center
Sisters, Oregon

 

Oh? Neither of us cares, of course, but I'm not about Maine. I don't know what prohibitions there are, but CPU is on the "list." Maine DOE - List of Non-Accredited Schools - C And, as far as I know, using unaccredited degrees is illegal in North Dakota and there is a specific prohibition against unaccredited doctorates in Indiana...

You exhumed the 11-year old thread, not me. I merely read the court decision. However, I thank you sincerely for your timely advice about getting a life...

Johann

 

Why not? I wrote this in more of a press release format, not really being familiar with this website. I guess if you don't want to deal with the substance of the issue, such petty criticism is about all that's left. Monte Kline, Ph.D.

 

See ya Monte. Thanks for dropping in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YrNQaXdOxU

 

Is this substantive enough for you?

A Skeptical Look at Monte Kline and Pacific Health Center

And this one - it's pretty old, but still...

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-7380-see-me-feel-me-touch-me-heal-me.html

J.