Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I still believe if you look hard enough, you will find a foreign credential evaluation service that might give it better status.

    Also, not everyone needs a NACES evaluation service. You can also look into the

    Association of International Credential Evaluators (AICE).

    It is also recognized by the department of education of the US
    https://sites.ed.gov/international/recognition-of-foreign-qualifications/
     
  2. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    https://acei-global.blog/2017/08/31/spain-understanding-and-evaluating-the-titulo-propio-2/
    They'd probably recognize it as something like a PGCert or PGDip
     
  3. Messdiener

    Messdiener Member

    That's still fairly solid. While not an MBA, having something recognized as an accredited PGDip in Business Administration would still be favorable for many.

    As everyone has pointed out repeatedly, it's also a great deal for the price. Know of any other uni that gives out PGDip for 199 USD?
     
  4. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    Oh, I'm not throwing stones. I'm going to submit mine to IEE, ECE, or ACEI to get back what I can, list it on my resume as MBA and, should I ever apply for USGOV, list it as whatever the evaluators come back with. I love this program, best one I've been able to find to date - and I've looked long and hard for more like it. ENEB was last year's white stag for me. I speared it and claimed its gorgeous head, but now I need a new white stag to hunt.
     
  5. Messdiener

    Messdiener Member

    I have been wondering what other propio (or similar) degrees exist in Europe.

    Perhaps, that would be worth starting a whole new thread for good deals on European programs, particularly for those of us looking for professional development and continuing education opportunities. (Or maybe just for those that want to collect degrees!)
     
  6. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!

    I know that there are "private degrees", IIRC, in France. You will, however, seldom find universities who offer ECTS credit points for them. - But my knowledge is rather shallow.

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    John Bear posted here once about an experiment for credential evaluation services. A man with MBA from a DL heriot watt was given different evaluations from different services, some did not even recognized the MBA as such.
    My suggestion to anyone pursing these new DL degrees would be to get a local Masters degree from a well known school and take these programs as continuing education. It is very unlikely that someone would ask for you for an equivalence report if your core education is from a well known school.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I've long said the fastest way to make tuition rates drop in the U.S. would be to kill federally guaranteed student loans, but... no one wants to hear that.
     
  9. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    Fortunately, I lot of us here have Masters degrees already so that is a good suggestion with the evaluation reports not mattering. The equivalence report would only be sufficient for someone with an already earned Masters to transfer credits as electives to a doctorate degree or meet the requirement to teach business-related courses at the college level. I guess one would need to figure out what they plan to do in general. If they are OK with a non-accredited Masters evaluation for employment purposes, choose WES. If they are wanting to add a specialty without concern for the degree equivalent that could be used as bridge coursework towards a Masters, choose ECE. If they are wanting to do it for potential transfer credit to an official Masters or higher then AICE, IEE, or SpanTran would likely be the best choice.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2021
  10. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Here are some more:

    Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

    Formacion Alcala has deals with multiple schools.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The unaccredited Masters could be seen as a non credit Master certificate from a University in the US or Canada. I think McGill has now a MBA certificate or something similar. It basically still looks good but it is not good to teach or for government jobs.
    I think someone here already list them in his CV as a Master certificate, I think that makes sense.
     
  12. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    So a MBA certificate is like those Mini or Pocket MBAs that are sometimes mentioned on this forum. ENEB is getting way more mileage in terms of utilization than one would expect for the cost of their programs. It's getting some good recognition from evaluators despite the skepticism of the general population although all of the forum and websites have evolved into opening their minds over the past several months.
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2021
  13. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Those mini MBAs are a joke. They're not MBAs at all. Most have no admissions requirements and don't require in-depth paper writing or any real examination, and many of the ones I've seen don't even leave open the possibility of failing.

    I think some are caught in a weird place by playing themselves while trying to convey a faux air of humility, listing these programs as anything other than what they've been evaluated to be. There is no need to overthink that part anymore because evaluations have already come in. WES and ECE have evaluated them not as certificates, mini's, pocket's, or any other variation of what is less than a degree. Instead, they have evaluated them as degree programs which is what they're intended to be anyway as they carry the proper amount of coursework and credits amounts, so the verdict on that is set until that changes at some point in the future, and it could.
     
  14. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Even then, a foreign evaluation doesn't change what it is, it's just an evaluator's opinion, an opinion that really only matters definitively when you need it. Otherwise, it has little or no effect on the individual.
     
  15. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    Didn´t some of the people in this forum play with the idea of founding a small University :D?
    All you need to do is find a degree-awarding partner University like Isabel and then develop a mostly automated online program for propio PhD´s (and also Bachelor´s, why not).
    The success of ENEB proves that there is a market. And unlike propio Master´s degrees I currently don´t see any competition in the Bachelor/PhD´s sector.
    Could be a business idea :)
     
  16. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Evaluators evaluate foreign degrees, so that will present a tricky situation if the teaching school is U.S. based. Even if you submit only the Isabel diploma to graduates, the teaching school would be handling the transcripts so it would be immediately obvious that the operation is U.S. based.

    What's somewhat maddening when you put 2+2 together here, is that it's easier and cheaper for a foreign school to set up and gain U.S. legitimacy through having its programs evaluated as equivalent to U.S. regionally accredited degree standards than it is for a domestic U.S. school to set up and achieve that. After all, because a U.S. school is domestic, it can't have its programs evaluated by a foreign degree evaluator and be deemed regionally accredited like foreign schools can. For that, a U.S. school has no other option but to make it through the long and expensive process of achieving regional accreditation. Never thought about that before, but yeah, that's pretty messed up when you think about it.

    Our system has a lot of issues.
     
  17. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    Then you just incorporate in Spain, do your contracts in Spanish through external consultancy, then only offer programs in English with your association to your partner school, automate what you can, outsource the rest.
    I've been thinking through this process, but I'm not sure about all the details just yet
     
  18. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    You COULD have the uni be based in the USA. Or not. The "degree-awarding partner university like Isabel" could be USA-based, or not. It awards bachelor or PhD, as Johann766 said. It differs from a diploma mill in the same way the ENEB deal differs.

    I suspect the majority of ENEB groupon students really don't give a flip about outside evaluations from private companies. Look at the names/locations of students in the ENEB forums, and various comments on the Groupon site and elsewhere. People on forums like THIS one are the ones who are trying to make it into something it wasn't intended to be. Wanting to get validation from some evaluator as an accredited MBA, or use the credits towards a more traditional program. And that's cool. I say normal people ( :D ) are happy with the program as-is. I do think PhD rises to a different level, and if people out there start calling themselves "Doc", you will undoubtedly get some AG's and feds on your ass.

    I don't think this is something you try to do on US soil. This is not a free market, it's 'murcah.
     
  19. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    That's because almost none of them know evaluation companies exist. These things aren't common knowledge to the average American especially and that's because most never need one.

    I see it differently in this way: the people on these forums have a lot more knowledge about the education system than the average person signing up for this program. The majority of the people signing up aren't thinking about the things we're thinking about because they don't have that knowledge, but in the likely event that they will face a situation at some point where that knowledge will be necessary (accreditation/legitimacy is questioned by an employer, employer asks for an evaluation, student tries to transfer credits, student tries to enter a Doctoral program, school asks for a foreign evaluation, and so and so forth) they will suddenly start thinking about it.

    All the people here are doing is exercising their options based on their knowledge of the system. In that sense, you can't really make the program anything more or less than what it is because in the end the results--whichever direction one chooses to go in to see them--will determine that.

    What would they do? As long as you're not posing as a Medical Doctor, or some other type of Doctor where the use of the title implies being licensed to practice, you wouldn't be breaking any laws.

    I don't think this is something you try to do on US soil. This is not a free market, it's 'murcah.[/QUOTE]
     
  20. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I suppose you could do that. But a similar avenue of just doing it all U.S. based with a U.S. based school isn't out of the question. We have schools like Coursera and this oddity:

    https://www.midwestteachersinstitute.org/
     

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