Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

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  1. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I've heard of people using translation programs to overcome that. Even so, I always feel like there will be certain meanings and cultural mores that will be missed and misinterpreted, but I could just be overthinking that.

    I read a blog back in the mid 00's where a guy was taking a course from a Brazilian school and he was paying a translation company to edit his papers into Portuguese and convert his study materials into English. Depending on how many translations a student would need, that could wind up costing more than the program itself given how inexpensive the ones we're discussing tend to be.
     
  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I've actually thought if I was in a situation where I could intensively learning Spanish that I might supplement that by completing a propio. I think it would raise a lot of questions if I had a Spanish credential but had no accompanying Spanish proficiency. At the opposite end, being able to demonstrate your Spanish reading by completing a Master's program in that language would help an employer feel more comfortable.
     
  3. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I love Parchment! Like you said, easy way for a quick verification and allows students to share via LinkedIn. It is a really nice touch!

    Sticking on the diploma topic before I read other comments, I really like Quantics diplomas. They look really nice!
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It was probably wise of ENEB to anticipate that objection by including an optional "Spanish for Business" certificate with all their programs.
     
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  5. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    That is a good point and it's something you always have to be concerned with any time you take a program from another country, because even though none of us know the names of all of the schools in the United States (who could remember them all or even want to for that matter?) and some could look foreign (Goucher, anyone?) especially to people unfamiliar with them, many foreign names won't pass the xeno test for sure. For instance, if you put down "MBA - Wrexham Glyndwr University", it may be from an English-speaking country and nobody in the UK where the school is located would find it odd because they're used to it, but it definitely is going to raise a lot of questions in the United States if it's on a resume.

    If I were still in the market and I were interested in a foreign credential, I would personally keep it to one useful foreign credential per resume, and it would be one that is specifically targeted to the field and job I'm applying to, definitely wouldn't load it up. Heck, loading a resume with too many domestic credentials is already a bad enough idea.
     
  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Indeed. In a couple of years once I've wound down several of my other commitments I'd like to get back to learning French and add a French-language qualification of some kind to my resume (whether from a French, African or Canadian school or educational provider), but I definitely wouldn't stack them even if easy to earn because it just adds to the questions...well maybe not the Canadian ones since I am Canadian, but still.
     
  7. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    I am in the program. There is a list of student names in the ENEB forum section. I think a VERY large percentage of students in this MBA program do not live in Europe or USA/Canada.

    Just throwing that out there as additional info for folks who wonder about people's motivation/objective(s) in doing ENEB.
     
  8. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    When you consider the limitations of a Master Propio degree from Spain, it is identical in purpose to a non-accredited Masters degree here in the USA. I read on Wikipedia that non-accredited Masters degrees in the USA can be used for business purposes and industry but you are restricted from most government and academic positions. This is essentially the same wording as Spain for Master Propio. Also, WES does not evaluate through validation / certification of another university but rather evaluates as a standalone. However, they likely took Universidad Isabel I certification as well as ENEB's reputation into consideration when evaluating ENEB Master degrees as a non-accredited Masters. Otherwise, it would be no recognition.

    All of the evaluations (only 2 so far) have been positive as this is considered a legitimate Masters degree by WES and not a diploma mill. ECE evaluated it as a second or advanced Bachelor's degree which makes sense considering the graduate credit is unofficially earned through Universidad Isabel I and they do not honor the coursework towards an official Masters which makes it upper-level undergraduate instead. Someone should try getting an evaluation from IEE as they seem to be the most progressive and newest NACES member. They will evaluate the coursework as graduate level but likely not a degree unless it is as a certificate or diploma.
     
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  9. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    There are people who've worked in U.S. government with degrees from unaccredited schools, but I don't know if that's a product of different government units having different policies or something else.

    BTW, we can count a 3rd positive evaluation from RFValve: 30 credit Graduate Diploma.

    I really love this.
     
  10. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    You are correct as I know that when it comes to pay rank and assignments for federal government jobs, they do consider unaccredited degrees as training and professional development so if the degree is not accepted as an official degree, it still counts for that. Did RFValve have an ENEB degree evaluated as a 30 credit Graduate Diploma or was that another Masters Propio he had done several years back at another school?
     
  11. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    He'll have to chime in on the exacts, but he did mention that it was in Supply Chain which is a program ENEB offers.
     
  12. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Ah. I see what you're saying. Thanks.
     
  13. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    IEE will evaluate them, but not as equivalent to a U.S. master's degree. Words verbatim from IEE.
     
  14. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    I remember I sent an email to all 5 Canadian and 13 NACES academic evaluators and many of them responded that they will not provide a pre-evaluation. Having said that, a few did provide pointers to how they do evaluations - they mentioned if it's recognized by their Ministry of Education, it will highly come in as equivalent of RA. I'm not going to fork out cash to each and everyone of them, so I would recommend trying the ones that haven't been in business that long and more open/not as traditional as the older NACES agencies. I mentioned this on the sister board...
     
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    A non accredited Masters evaluation is better than nothing I agree, in particular if you paid for it $199.
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    If propio degree is a problem, the same University many times has the official equivalent of the propio degree and can accept a credit transfer. Normally you have to pay for the transfer and a most official degrees require a thesis or final project.

    I got a positive evaluation but it does not mean that every propio degree would be evaluated the same.

    I agree, WES is the most conservative evaluation service but there are many out there. Even in Canada, University of Toronto evaluation services is the most conservative and others are less conservative like Quebec or IQAS from Alberta mainly because their assessments are not legally binding and mainly used for immigration purposes but they state that it is the word of the professional association or employer that is the one that counts at the end.
    WES is mainly careful because many colleges use their evaluations for credit transfer. Excelsior used to use them but dropped them and now only accept ECE. There is probably a reason for this. If I start giving evaluations for credit with ENEB degrees for credit transfer to schools that change 1000 dlls a credit, this is not going to look good for WES.
    Also, some professional associations do not accept distance learning in fields like in Psychology.
     
  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Certainly, nor should they. But it's good to see more positive ones come through, not just for North Americans, but also for people from Spain and other international locations who hold a propio or an equivalent and are looking to re-locate to the United States at some point in the future.
     
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Given the competition for the lower working permits to the US and lower immigration targets due to economic reasons, I wouldn't put a bet i
    Paradigms are changing and Europeans and Latin countries have figured out that a degree does not has to cost 20K or 50K. You can give a decent education with a $199 degree. This breaks the US model where people need to get a 100K loan to go to school, the reality you don't, all it takes to learn is motivation and some guidance, the Europeans have figured it out but the US model would take a bit of time to adapt but it will at some point. These are times of change.
     
  19. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    The government allowed the student loan system to get out of hand, and the schools took advantage. Nope, not just took advantage, viciously abused. The prices now are absurd to the point that I have no trouble calling the operation criminal. All of that money going to overpriced facilities and bloated salaries, and students paying the equivalent of a small (or large depending on where you live) mortgage, and those are just the non-profit schools without any major sports teams, don't even get me started on the schools that have them and what they do with those. I have no sympathy for the bust many schools are facing. They did it to themselves.
     
  20. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    Yeah for sure. I believe the US federal government may honor this degree for employees as they acknowledge accredited and "pre-accredited" US schools as well as their foreign equivalents. Even though ENEB is unaccredited, it is clearly considered a recognized school likely due to the Isabel I certification for WES to give them a non-accredited equivalent as oppose to no recognition. At the very least, it will be recognized as training or professional development on a job application.
     
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