Kennedy-Western University is moving towards accreditation in response to the new reg

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Lerner, Jun 19, 2006.

  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Kennedy-Western University is moving towards accreditation in response to the new regulations in Wyoming.


    Its posible that Kennedy-Western University is moving towards accreditation in response to the new regulations in Wyoming.

    The new Chief Academic Officer "position must also assure compliance with best practices and standards established by the Wyoming state licensing agency and for regional and/or national accreditation agencies."
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    I'll believe it when I see it.
  3. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    Is this April 1st?:confused:
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    My thought exactly.

  5. aic712

    aic712 Member

    "Position: Chief Academic Officer
    Institution: Kennedy-Western Univerity
    Location: Wyoming
    Date posted: 6/6/2006"

    Wow, look at the date, you can be "Academic Officer of the Beast"

    Cool :)

    I hope that's true about KWU, but I have to echo what the other posters said, i'll believe it when I see it.

    They can state that they "plan to pursue accreditation" all they want, Almeda College claims they "may" pursue regional accreditation as well (but that does not mean it will ever happen):

    "We may elect to remain autonomous from regional accreditation in order to maintain our current programming, or we may elect to seek regional accreditation if we determine it to be in the best interests of our students."

    I wish KWU luck if they are indeed trying to turn it around, maybe they can turn it around like CCU.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think they have a choice to get accredited or stop their operations in the state of Wyoming.

    Maybe they don't want to leave the state for different reasons, and if they want to stay they will be illegal as of July 1th.

    I think getting RA or NA would be the best thing they can do for the students and graduates.

    I'm not familiar with the Wyoming new laws and don't know if a school gets time extension - provisional / pending license extension once they apply and work toward earning recognized accreditation.

    I think the new law forces them to comply, they have choice to
    stay and comply with the law or leave like the RU.
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  7. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    The replies to post, highlights how irrational some people are about unaccredited schools.

    The simple fact, is that you had to start somewhere and if you have a decent process, that is good to start with anyway.

    What its the problem with KWU?
  8. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    How does the new Wyoming law compares with states such as California?

    Do they offer state accreditation or would the school need to go after RA/NA?
  9. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    You say that "you had to start somewhere", right? Well, KW"U" has started a lot of somewheres. Started in California, where much of "the school" remains . However, to retain a state license, they moved a portion to Wyoming. At one point they also had an office in Hawaii and I think initially moved from California to Idaho before Wyoming. Regardless, while they retain a California presence, they are prohibited from accepting students from California.

    When schools are forbidden from accepting students from entire states, or jump from state to state to avoid licensing issues, I think it's fair to say that attending said schools is a bad idea.
  10. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    Interesting. What rule are they breaking or trying to break in doing such? What is the root cause?
  11. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    The root cause is no surprise...

    They are a degree mill offering degrees for unverified "life experience" combined with multiple choice, open book tests up to the doctoral level.

    You may be new to the boards, morleyl, but not everyone else is. And not everyone else is a mill appologist, either.
  12. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    Re: The root cause is no surprise...

    I am not exactly new here, but I have not followed the KWU issue that much. Its very easy to get lost following some of these threads. From your post, you seem to imply two things.

    1. Once bad, always bad. No exceptions.

    2. KWU is a paper for credit card school today.

    Obviously, you know a lot more about them than me, but I guess they would have fooled me by just looking at the website.

    What I support is quality education of whatever means. This means proper verification of learning.
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    KWU is advertizing their business among accredited universities and people who are not informed see their listing among universities such as UoP, AIU, Keller etc.

    Usually the rest of the listed schools are RA or NA and known for decent quality.

    I maybe in minority but maybe they are tired of changing offices and states and finally would like to stay were they are as far as the state.

    They have no choice but to earn recognized accreditation in they want to stay in Wyoming or spend money and fight legal battles etc, such news will drive students away.

    Accreditation will in time add respect and increase the academic value of the students learning and degrees.
  14. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    Try to call them. It is worst than dealing with a used car salesman. They didn't let me off the phone until they got some money. I ended up just hanging up.
  15. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    Re: Re: The root cause is no surprise...

    Oh please. How about "once bad, always bad until improvement is verified by a neutral third party". For me, such a third party would be an accreditor or an organization like the American Council on Education. Other parties, like current and former students are just not credible, since they have a vested interest in how the organization is perceived.
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The root cause is avoiding prosecution for fraud. The typical means that diploma mills avoid prosecution is to not accept students from within the state that they actually operate. If a citizen of another state complains to their own state then their own state says "sorry, nothing we can do, the diploma mill isn't in this state". If the citizen from another state calls and complains then the other state says, "sorry, you're not a citizen of this state, nothing we can do."

    Another diploma mill tactic is having the mailing address in a different state than the operations. The authorities have a tendency to point fingers at one another and the diploma mill gets away. Another diploma mill tactic is bouncing the email address around different legal jurisdiction to avoid prosecution.
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: The root cause is no surprise...

    Nonsense, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. In the past KWU has been a diploma mill. I guess according to your philosophy we should let everyone out of jail because

    1. Once bad, assume will become perfect. No exceptions.
  18. davidhume

    davidhume New Member

    Is this one job, or several jobs? Whoeever takes the position looks like they will be running the place!

    Also, 'accreditation' does not seem to be the main thrust of the position.
  19. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    Re: Re: Re: The root cause is no surprise...

    You obviously missed my point here. Can people repent or improve themselves?
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The root cause is no surprise...

    You obviously missed my point here.

    You're the one that wrote the ridiculous strawman argument.

    You then proceeded to tear your bogus strawman argument down like anyone around here is stupid enough to ever make a statement like that in the first place.

    I'll make a bet with you, morley. A year from now if KWU has become accredited by DETC or is a candidate for RA then I'll donate a thousand dollars to your favorite tax deductible charity. If you lose the bet then you have to waste your money on a PhD program of your choice at KWU.

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