Kennedy-Western University is moving towards accreditation in response to the new reg

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Notice in my first statement, I said RobbCD implied this. I did not say this was the case.

I actually prefer B&M schools actually. Having to deal with insults on these forums would not warrant attending some of the very good DL schools.

Honestly, I know what a diploma mill is and with all common sense, I do not think KWU is one today.

The obvious definition of diploma mills have changed too much on these forums for convenience. It comes down to any unaccredited school and even NA schools in some cases.

 

I think the accurate statement of diploma mill is different from Degree mill.

Degree Mill is entity that may require work for their degrees but
the work and process are sub standard - were standard minimum
reference is NA or RA and in rare cases State approval in selected states or equivalent in other countries.

Good example was AICS were a BS degree in Computer Science was equated to two semesters in State B&M school. ie barely equal to certificate in programming and definitely not on a level of what is standard for BS degree in CS.

Today under ne name and NA accreditation past sins are forgotten and new respect is earned, the education and process are of a higher standard. No longer labeled as degree mill.

Never was a Diploma Mill but was a Degree Mill.

 

I agree we should use one definition. To me Degree Mill = Diploma Mill.

The definition I have of diploma mill from common sense is: Any entity that grants an academic degree without requirement for academic competence. This means your standard resume for degree service. Note this entity could be legal or illegal. Its very easy to get legal authority nowadays.

In respect to the NA schools, I must clarify they may not have been called mills outright. The implications from statements is that the standard is just as bad.

 

I smell "waiting period"

or some other temporary dodge coming.

 

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Okay, so when morleyl says "implied" or "implication" then that means strawman argument coming. Thanks for the clarification.

 

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Speech or writing should add value to silence

 

Steve I didn't invent it,

I read about it in NIFI - Frame it and Name it by Steve Levicoff.

Learner

 

Not bad for KWU, Halifax University is going forward to the accreditation.
Other "universities" in Wyoming also show their efforts to respond to the requirements of the state except the Rutherford University.

 

In Defense of the Beast

Well, not really.

But I've always been of two minds about KWU. I really, really do not like their business practices such as running their operations out of California whilst not being able to accept California residents as students. The Wyoming license dodge bugs me more than somewhat.

But on the OTHER hand, I keep thinking about their claim (true?) that they use junior doctoral faculty moonlighting from R/A schools to guide and evaluate their doctoral candidates. I have heard on this forum that this is a misrepresentatrion; maybe so and that would be that, but if it's TRUE, that just doesn't SOUND like a diploma mill.

I sure wouldn't enrol with KWU but I hesitate to say that no good could ever come from them.

 

Re: In Defense of the Beast

My understanding is that one faculty member is assigned to review the dissertation. I assume that they are paid a flat fee per dissertation.

Good can come from lots of places. I hesitate to say that no good could ever come from robbing a bank.

 

Word is that they will be applying under a new name - Warren National University

http://www.warren-national-university.com/

The phone #s are the same as KWU, Board is the same, and I saw a page or two with KWU on it.

Should be interesting. Wonder if they are planning on having two business lines or disassociating themselves from the KW"U" pseudo-mill.

 

WOW... I looked at the faculty listing and their credentials that teach with KWU. They have some impressive professors working with them. I am not sure if you can say that school is a mill or even substandard. Has anyone here ever taken any courses with KWU who can say for sure what the course requirements are now? Not two years ago when the investigation was going on. Some things do change. Who knows? Maybe they have?

 

"WOW... I looked at the faculty listing and their credentials that teach with KWU. They have some impressive professors working with them. I am not sure if you can say that school is a mill or even substandard. Has anyone here ever taken any courses with KWU who can say for sure what the course requirements are now? Not two years ago when the investigation was going on. Some things do change. Who knows? Maybe they have?"

Just becuase they list the faculty does not mean they actually work for the university, other "schools" do this regularly. Also, the faculty employed has no direct reflection on the coursework that KWU offers. The school is unaccredited, which extremely devalues their degrees, and makes transferring credits/degrees to accredited schools nigh impossible. ALSO, KWU has had to go as far as to change their name to Warren University to attempt to pursue legitimate accreditation, so if KWU is offering high-quality, rigorous coursework, why change the name?

 

The new name is interesting and reflective of a process. Both KWU and WNU have a well known name of a prominent, deceased government official with bi-partisan appeal, a regional designation and the word university to indicate what they do. In selecting a new name, the university ownership has adhered to the same formula. I suppose that Warren is a reference to Chief Justice Earl Warren and they upgraded from Western to National University. I'm guessing that the legal counsel at National University will be very interested in KWU's change to Warren National University. Frankly, I would have picked a name that says something like "Mandela American University"... The spirit of bold change blended with the quality of the American educational system.

Dave

 

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. The past behavior of KWU is well within "diploma mill parameters". KWU was part of some senate hearing on diploma mills. The testimony from the government investigators and ex KWU employees strongly marked KWU as a diploma mill.

The impressive faculty list is a typical part of a diploma mill's facade. Students at KWU rarely have any interaction with a faculty member during a class. This has been well known and established for years.

I'm open to hard information that might indicate that KWU has actually changed for the better. Unsubstantuated conjecture falls far short of hard information, IMHO.