Is Cambridge International University now Spanish?

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by NorthStar, Apr 12, 2023.

  1. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    Why don't you get him a Dr. h.c. from a state-recognized school:D I know a few east european schools that in general offer Dr. h.c. to everyone.
  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I am not sure the guy wasn't having us on or subtly shilling for CIU (poor choice he wanted to make?). He hasn't posted back.
  3. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Maybe. It's also possible that they moved on when they didn't get the response they were looking for.

    Some people think that all online degrees are the same (mills), so a site like this must be accepting of such. Such people might come here, seeking ways to "legitimize" their unearned degrees.
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Brilliant! Do you recall which ones throw in knighthoods for a bit extra? :) Something like Knight of the Eparchy of Transylvania, perhaps?
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The whole idea of honorary doctorates is smarmy, especially since the title "doctor" is conferred and is no different in usage than an earned doctorate. Fake schools sell them, which isn't all that much different that real schools awarding them in return for donations. (Cash or in-kind, like a building or something.)

    In determining the "honor," it's helpful to consider the source. Being knighted by King Charles III is a little different the purchasing a knighthood from some made-up place.
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. Odd fact, somewhat related: An Honorary Ph.D. was awarded in the US prior to any earned ones. From Wiki:

    "In the United States, the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree was first conferred as an honorary degree, at Bucknell University in 1852; not until 1861 did any American university award an earned Ph.D. (Yale University being the first to do so)."
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  7. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    Cambridge International University USA is no more but while it was around (until 2019), it was accredited by the International Universities and Colleges Network, the U.S. Academy for Academic Standards and the World Alliance of Online Universities.

    The Spanish Cambridge used to claim accreditation from the Virtual Universities Acrediting Association Milwakee [sic] and was originally operating out of the British Virgin Islands. Nowadays it's recognized by the Consorcio Universitario Euroamaricana, CUE) conveniently located at the same address as the university. Titulos privados, so presumably they have some of business registration at least.

    I think there is a connection between Cambridge USA and Cambridge Spain and to the happy people at

    The Uzbek CIU is recognized, I believe, and on a ministry list of recognized universities in the country. 36 of them, plus 48 institutes.
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2023
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    John Bear tells the tale in his book about the three men who started Harvard. None held doctorates and, as the tradition goes, it takes a doctor to make a doctor. Certainly no British university would award such to Puritans. So, they got together and awarded an honorary doctorate on Mather and he, in turn, awarded earned doctorates on the other two. Thus began graduate education in America.

    Another tale from John: The honorary PhD was much more common until Gonzaga awarded one to Bing Crosby (in return for some football equipment he donated). Apparently, he made great delight at being "Dr Crosby" during his radio show. The honorary PhD pretty much disappeared after that.
  9. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Time for all of us to get our recognized, Uzbek Cambridge degrees then!
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    One of those degrees and about 16,000 Som (Uzbek) might get you a cup of coffee in Tashkent. One Som is worth about 1/80 of a Canadian Cent.
  11. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    But how much is a flight to Tashkent? :p
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Somewhere between the price of the coffee and the price of the degree. ...G'Night. :)
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  13. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Kidding aside, @mbwa shenzi was right. CIU (Uzbekistan) is recognized as a university by the Ministry of Higher Education, Science and Innovations of the Republic of Uzbekistan:

    If you click on Tashkent City, you'll find CIU about 3/4 of the way down the list.

    That said, @Johann is also right that a CIU degree would likely be completely unusable by the majority of us here on DI, barring the possibility that we have some members or lurkers from Uzbekistan.
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    He always is. :)
  15. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    Cambridge Int'l also had, so was the claim, some sort of presence in Cape Town, and in the UK. And Malta (as Cambridge International Virtual University). It was, according to Dr Jenaro Romero Pastor accredited by Maxine Asher's World Association of Universities and Colleges (WAUC).
    Dr Romera Pastor is a graduate of Bircham International University, among other things.
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Dr. Maxine Asher? Her degrees were genuine, but her accreditation outfit and university -- well, let's just say RUN - don't WAUC.
    I'm surprised that there wasn't a WAUC-accredited campus or two on the lost continent of Atlantis, which the imaginative Dr. Asher once claimed to have found - off the coast of Spain, as I remember. Interesting story of her Atlantis search here: claimed to have psychic,as strong as nuclear energy.

    Dr. Romero appears to be pretty busy. Besides receiving a Ph.D in Electronic Engineering, he has completed five other programs at Bircham International University. He has written a few books and also appears to be associated with Universidad Empresarial in Costa Rica. We have threads on Bircham and Universidad Empresarial de Costa Rica.

    Also a wiki on Universidad Empresarial appears here: here: claimed to have psychic,as strong as nuclear energy

    Thanks, mbwa shenzi, once again, for connecting us with interesting stories and old, familiar names.
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  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Empresarial used to be a puzzle, but now it's clear what it is/was: an off-shore operation (from the US) running programs and having degrees awarded by Empresarial beyond that school's authorization to do so. Very proprio.

    Bircham excuses itself from American accreditation while supposedly operating from Spain. (Gee, I wonder why?) It is not recognized in Spain. Schools like this are boring and dime-a-dozen. (As Classy Freddie Blassie asked, "Who's passing out all the dimes?") Having five doctorates from this operation is the same as having zero.

    Asher had an accredited doctorate (Walden), but her actions with her fake school(s) and fake accreditor were particularly heinous. Her take on Atlantis might have been the most reasonable thing she ever did professionally. That is not a compliment.
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If it's beyond the school's authority, then I don't agree that it's right to equate this with titulo propio programs through Spanish universities.
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  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sí. Está muy claro que no es lo mismo. (Yes. It's very clear that it's not the same thing.)
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I won't disagree with your comment about "having five doctorates," Rich, but I said five programs - not five doctorates. Actually, only one. For the record, here they are:

    "Jenaro Romero Pastor (Spain)

    Expert Diploma in Ergonomy & Psychosociology - Completed (2002)
    Bachelor's Degree in Industrial Safety & Health - Completed (2005)
    Doctor Ph.D. in Electronical Engineering - Completed (2005)
    Bachelor's Degree in Industrial Engineering - Completed (2005)
    Expert Diploma in Industrial Safety & Health - Completed (2005)

    Looks like 2005 was a very busy year for Bircham and Dr. Romero Pastor.

    And Rich, I don't think reading about any set of schools is dull, either. You get to meet some extremely colourful people, like Dr. Asher. Just be careful about where you send your money. And doing the reading helps some people with that, I hope.
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