Impeachment

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Dec 10, 2019.

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  1. copper

    copper Member

    This whole conversation is pointless! This "impeach the president movement" in just a few hours has gone to lets just shelf the impeachment and not let it go to the Senate. An acquittal or full impeachment is never actualized?? It's basically a half baked cake. Help me understand this strategy. Heaven help any future poor soul that becomes President.
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Anyone who seeks that sort of power over others deserves to live under a sword of Damocles.
     
  3. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    . . . bringing to mind, of course, yet another classic from the canon of musical theatre:

     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    The Republicans will say bad things about the Democrats. They'll say bad things about the investigation and the witnesses. They'll say bad things about the Impeachment process. But what none of them will say is that Trump is a good man who would never make a force a foreign power to help subvert an American Election. The Republicans will never say Trump didn't do it because they know he's guilty of the charges.
     
  5. copper

    copper Member

    Sounds like you should run for Congress! Guilty until proven innocent, welcome to the new banana republic.
     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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  7. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Don't hold your breath, Bruce. Nancy Pelosi, the Wicked Witch of the West, San Francisco's congresswoman-for-life (she's 974 years old! Amazing what deals with the devil can do!) is hinting now that she won't deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she damn well feels like it. She wants it to hang over the President's head for as long as possible, while the press masturbates madly. It's all political theater.

    That's precisely what Nancy doesn't want. So she's apparently saying that after all the theatrics of the last few weeks (all leading to an intended denouement that was telegraphed even before Trump's inauguration) impeachment won't proceed until the Senate witness list and procedural rules are just to her liking.

     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not sure of your religious persuasion but it might interest you to know that just today Christianity Today, the magazine founded by Billy Graham, just came out in favor of the removal of Trump from office. I found it to be an interesting article, even if I'm not Christian. Their condemnation of Trump may not be important to you but it's bound to influence a lot of other people. I understand it's fairly widely read.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/
     
  9. copper

    copper Member

    Religious points of view don't really interest me at all! I'm pretty sure Trump is not a "Saint" and he would be the first one to tell you so! This whole mess is about power and control, mingled with some constitutional doctrine for show.
     
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Great!!

    Let’s blow the roof off the swamp and see who has the most skeletons!
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It IS weird. But I guess that, if the Senate gets to decide for itself how to conduct a "trial" the House likewise can do whatever it likes with the "impeachment." There is a kind-of legal analogue, I guess. A prosecuting attorney must decide whether to file an indictment based upon a Grand Jury's true bill. But then again, if the indictment isn't filed, the GJ proceedings are supposed to be sealed. :confused:
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Where would you like his innocence proven? Justice is not found in impeachment. Are you suggesting a criminal trial?
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
     
  14. copper

    copper Member

    Just saying, stick to the Constitution! You know that!
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah, let's add Don Jr., Ivanka, Kushner, Giuliani's theater, ...
    The accusation against Joe the incumbent wanted "investigated" is absurd on its face. Biden did NOT get a prosecutor fired to bury investigation against Burisma (let alone Hunter), for simple reason that the prosecutor, Victor Shokin, built his career and fortune on his ability to bury investigations of anyone politically connected. He was famous for it. Joe, one of the few people in US who had a clue on what goes on in Ukraine, was sure to know this.
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Oh BTW: Trump sure knew that you don't actually need to get anyone fired to silence inconvenient investigation in Ukraine. He agreed to sell Javelins and meet with Poroshenko (two political wins embattled then-President of Ukraine desperately needs) weeks after investigation into Manafort was mysteriously shelved by Shokin's successor, Lutsenko. So Trump knows the ropes. Lutsenko and Shokin are two chief sources of Koe/Hunter/Burisma conspiracy theories. Lutsenko since backpedaled, hard.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    As fun as this would be, Trump is still guilty as charged. And he is the only one currently serving as POTUS. So, I don't know, priorities maybe?
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Active Member

    In 91 minutes after the "perfect" phone call the following email was sent by Duffy, head of the OMB. "In his email, Duffey added that “given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute the direction.”"

    This makes it obvious that the the extortion was being put in place and at the same time the intent is clear that the cover-up of the extortion was launched at the same time. It needed to be kept secret. Why keep it secret if everything was above board and "perfect"?

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/white-house-froze-ukraine-aid-91-minutes-after-trump-zelensky-call
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    There you go being rational again.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Active Member

    Two people in the OMB quit because they thought the order was illegal. They thought it was illegal because the law states that if the executive branch was not going to spend such funds prescribed by congress then congress had to be so informed. The day after the White House found out about the whistle blower complaint, Trump released the almost half a billion dollars. The Trump talking points are that this is all a string of coincidences that just keep piling up. Yet they are not willing to release documents or allow people in the White House to testify to congress. The President won't allow this evidence to come forward even though it would clear him of any wrong doing?
     

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