I know it was you Fredo.

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Kizmet, Jul 11, 2017.

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  1. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Don't take any wooden nutmegs. But do take time to determine just what is being investigated. If the answer is "Anything and everything!" then that's a big no-no.
     
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    There is no reason to believe that Mueller has gone out of bounds but I'll admit that I do not really know where the line has been drawn or even if it has been drawn. The Republicans are in charge of everything and so I'mm guessing that they're paying close attention.
     
  3. jhp

    jhp Member

    Well. I believe in my total depravity, so the question is moot for me. I am a bad person. ;-)
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes. Receiving undeclared "help" from a foreign government potentially breaks campaign finance laws - and Kizmet gave links to articles stating exactly that. Also, there is an obvious question as to what exactly Kremlin wanted in exchange (and BTW, since they kept the meeting secret, THAT by itself was a piece of kompromat Russians held on POTUS close associates). And no, there's no evidence Clinton campaign did anything comparable. Chalupa denies both working for Clinton campaign AND meeting Ukrainian government officials for her Manafort research. That certain circles in Ukrainian diaspora tried to alert folks about Manafort concerns is not just unsurprising - I'm shocked they did not make more noise. A guy in inner Yanukovich circle managing Republican nominee? srsly? But then again, US-based diaspora is proportionally less influential than Canadian one.

    A few notes. First, it's fun to see how Democrats are becoming both national security and law and order party. Also, you have a peculiar sense of humor. Do you always like to make fun of foreign names? Do you enjoy Jewish and Polish ethnic slur jokes as well?

    On "deplorables" - I suspect more and more that it was a classic political "gaffe" - unwise true statement. People taking offense are choosing to identify as "the racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic - you name it" willingly and at their peril. In any way, it is at most comparable to Junior calling Trump opponents "not even people".
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Hell, I'm the one on the receiving end of that and even I think it was a fair question.

    What I meant by that quote is that those scams that try to entice marks by preying on their greed ("oil minister" style scams) don't work on honest people. I (hopefully obviously) wasn't referring to people like Abner.
     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Of course you didn't. It took our special friend to apply his special logic to make it refer to Abner. I think this is, to a degree, telling.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    JHP did no such thing.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    He just taunted, as is their ilk's "politically incorrect" way.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I said something very easily misinterpreted, and he pointed out that, as written, it would apply to Abner. He was perfectly in bounds to do so.

    You're the one being rabidly partisan here, not him.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Can't help imagining the spectre of the late Richard Nixon, looming over Mueller's inquiry. If it is possible for the departed to take an interest in things of this world, I think he would be totally engrossed.

    J.
     
  11. b4cz28

    b4cz28 New Member

    I know you didn't post it to make him look bad but to make a point. We all make mistakes, but to say that all people who get scammed are bad is lame. I knew that if I posted it someone would say I was being abusive and ban me again.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    You're wrong. If you posted it I would not ban me again.:no:
     
  13. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    It's too late to ban Fredo.
     
  14. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Christie: If Trump Jr. Got Russian Intel It Would ‘Probably’ Be ‘Against The Law’

    Christie: If Trump Jr. Got Russian Intel It Would ‘Probably’ Be ‘Against The Law’ – Talking Points Memo

    "New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) on Monday said it would “probably” be illegal if Donald Trump Jr. obtained damaging information about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government."

    "Asked whether it would be inappropriate for a campaign to obtain opposition research from a foreign government, Christie told reporters as quoted by NJ.com, “Yeah, I think it would be.”
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, I laughed.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Meh, that just sounds like a desperate attempt by Christie to scratch back at Trump for having used him up and thrown him away.
     
  17. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Bah humbug. I'm not pretending to be all nonpartisan here.
    So he, and he alone, chose to point out this interpretation, targeting Abner no less. All the while also continuing to make hilarious jokes based on foreign names. You may wish to go for the most charitable interpretation, and it's admirable of you. I am, however, just telling things as I see them. Also, I'm sick and tired of people holding one side to ethical standards while giving passes to another (not limited to Dem/Rep split). Also, holding to theological heresy of total depravity, or to theological truth of original sin, does not free anyone from responsibility of trying to be a basic decent human being.

    I, however, want to modify my comment linking this behaviour to "Conservatives". I know people identifying with that camp who are too gentlemanly to ever give a joke like that. It does eventually come to people feeling obligation to justify each and every tiniest move Trump makes. I could use "deplorable" as an equivalent to vatnik (a somewhat controversial term of derision for Putin partisans; conveniently, many trumpists act as Anglophone vatniks anyway); of course, this is also open to misinterpretation. Thankfully I'm not a politician.
     
  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...which is pretty much established by his "I love it" email. Not to mention political consequences that should be forthcoming for working hand in hand with the KGB, which was trying to disrupt American political process.

    Funny how it is a one time Trump's ally/manservant saying that.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Sure. Which doesn't make it false, and you know it.
     

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