Grupo Tarraco Formacion or oh no, not another Master Propio stuff

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Mac Juli, May 28, 2021.

  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    In Canada and the UK, normally NA degrees are not recognized by foreign credential evaluation services. Maybe other countries might have different rules.
  2. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    A vast majority of times, they don't seem to care rather a degree is NA or RA. In the writing of the job description, they may not even mention the term "accredited". Provided that a school is legal and a degree can be verified in a background check, having an earned degree is a legit check in the box. However, we have seen international cases of diploma mills being successfully used in obtaining positions. An MBA from Isabel I/ENEB is a legitimate and accredited degree that meets the requirements for an earned MBA without legal repercussions here in the USA. Of course the propio status will produce "varied" results with foreign credential evaluators. Still, it is better than nothing and will produce more millage in some industries more than others.
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  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    To see acceptability of degrees, I check linkedin and see how many people hold the degree in question and what position do they hold. Michael is the most educated man holding an MBA of Isabel with many other prestigious degrees so if this man found this degree useful, it might be useful.
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    In 50 U.S. states, the acceptance of degrees is left up to each individual employer including government.
  5. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Academic rigor is a great variable that really is tied to individual schools and not related to accreditation designations, so it's hard to measure that which makes the idea many have about it unsubstantiated, but most schools both RA and NA are teaching the same things from the same books with the same lesson plans and course structures because they're all buying these materials from the same education content suppliers. The difference between the typical NA school that has fewer financial resources and a smaller faculty and teaching staff is that they on average bring in lesser-decorated instructors whereas the typical RA school that has more financial resources brings in more accomplished instructors. That won't have any impact on rigor, but it may have an impact on the quality of instruction.

    The problem with comparing propios to NA degrees is that propios are not subject to oversight through accreditation which is why the only ones that have the most reaching value are the ones backed by accredited schools because of how evaluators treat them better. Reading a number of boards and messages from students in Spain, finding a propio either offered directly by a University or offered through an ENEB-like deal is important to them so I imagine evaluators have taken that into account.

    In any case, I don't know if there is any true 1:1 example of NA degrees or our RA-NA system in general anywhere in the rest of the world.
  6. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    The way he's writing some of his credentials is... interesting. That's all I'll say.
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  7. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'd say it's a 99.99999999999% chance you'll never be asked that question about NA or RA on a job interview. Most people who know about it know there is a difference they just don't understand what it is and why there is a difference. They simply conclude "RA is better" and leave it at that.

    Very rarely do companies say "regionally accredited degree needed" or something to that effect.

    ASIC will fool plenty of employers because of how it's positioned and what it's being allowed to do. We know it's practically worthless but the rest of the world won't necessarily see that and understand why we take that position. Most people have no idea what ASIC and DEAC are. Most people are not educated in these matters at all.
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Spending a lot of time here, where the marginal differences are endlessly debated, gives a false impression. But most people really don't have a clue about this, including most hiring managers and personnel recruiters.
  9. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    20 credentials behind a name! Even Queen Elizabeth II brags less with titles :D
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  10. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I don't think he was comparing it 1:1. I think he was referring to acceptance differences, how RA and Official degrees have the widest acceptance and NA and Propio degrees have lesser acceptance. Granted, if you get down to point-by-point comparisons it will be harder to compare because NA degrees allow you to do most things in the country they're conferred in more than propios can in the country(ies) they're conferred in, but I think that's more adjacent to his point than directly on it.
  11. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    That's why they allow students from English-speaking countries to use the English translation or the reduced English version, Isabel I University.
  12. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I don't get Canada's deal. People have had to take legal action over being denied and even after all of that Canadian authorities are still unfriendly about it. Luckily, for the majority of people, private employers get the bulk of the final say on what's accepted (with the exception of licensed professions, of course) and I imagine they don't really give a damn about this in Canada just like they don't really give a damn about this in the United States.
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  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    All comes down to what are you planning to do with the degree. If you are planning to use it in Canada to enter a regulated profession like accounting, engineering, etc. Then the DEAC or propio degree would be useless. If you are planning it to use it for un unregulated profession like Management, then your skills and experience would play more than your degree. If you are planning to use it for teaching, many places do require evaluations.
  14. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Wow. He lists Kaggle competitions as an employment position. He has a bunch of 3 month positions, including internships listed. He's got 50+ certificates listed, many of which overlap. Taking a basic data science course with 5 different providers is not particularly valuable. Also there's no focus on this resume. IT, Life Insurance, Supply Chain Management, Teaching English, he's all over the place.

    And an 18 page resume is terrible overkill (it's not an academic CV.) If you can't prove why you're the right candidate for the job in under 3 pages (ideally 1), you're not the right candidate.
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  15. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    Seems like he is more of a show off than anything else when it comes to his credentials. He probably doesn't really want a career. He probably just wants to be a consultant and/or entrepreneur without specializing too much.
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  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    This is the fishiest LinkedIn profile I've ever seen. He's lying. Some of these are not master's or doctoral degrees. I doubt he is working on a PhD in business administration and MS in physical science in Chicago while also working on a PhD in applied mathematics in New York. These are campus programs. Even if his credentials were real, some surely are not, I would not use him as a gauge for what's valuable. He has the same degree from multiple institutions.

    His certifications and non-credit certificate programs should not be in the education section. How is he working at eight different companies at the same time?
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  17. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Most of his profile is ridiculous, yes. But Google tells people to put their certificates (from Coursera) in the education section of their resume. So I guess he's just following resume conventions. Google does also say to use the Licenses & Certifications section on LinkedIn instead of the education section.
  18. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Some of his Coursera and Google certificates are in the certifications section. His profile is all over the place. He listed "financial" and his United States citizenship as languages. LOL
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  19. manuel

    manuel Member

    The thing is that LinkedIn profile is not a resume but the accumulation of everything that you had done. If he applies for a job, he might tailor the resume to the job and company. However, how many MBA's does he need?
  20. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    I wonder was he able to transfer any coursework between all of those MBA programs. He was or is working on 3 MBA's at one time.

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