Grupo Tarraco Formacion or oh no, not another Master Propio stuff

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Mac Juli, May 28, 2021.

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  1. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    WorldQuant got DEAC recently. Even when it was free I was envious that I didn't have the foundation in calculus to get in. I'm working on my calculus and linear algebra now, though, for my data science coursework.
     
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  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I believe he is doing the double degree with UCN, Azteca's doctorate is also a propio degree with limited use as it is not official.
    I remember very well Berne, many US professors were doing this degree given the limited availability of US options. I asked myself for an application package at the time but decided against it as it was from a not very solid school.
     
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  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    To be fair, as there are almost no guarantees in life, quality isn't guaranteed whether a program is regulated or not as even accredited schools have produced bad programs.
     
  4. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    Azteca/UCN are not solid schools. Many foreign credential evaluators have blacklisted them. However, for distance learning, they are comparable to the US online for-profit schools that are 10x the price. I mentioned in an earlier post that I am leaving my job and career in adult / higher education to pursue a career in Healthcare IT which will give me a major boost in pay. My major at Azteca/UCN program is a PhD in Education where when I complete it will result in twin degrees, one propio from Azteca and an official one from UCN. I'm only doing it for personal development as a hobby and the title. How this degree will affect my career now that I am out of education remains to be seen but I certainly don't need the Azteca/UCN PhD. When I get the foreign evaluation that equates it to a regionally accredited PhD, I will no doubtfully have it placed in my personnel file at work with no expectations of a pay increase or promotion but anything can happen. I might try and get a class or two to teach online and maybe do some consulting on the side.
     
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  5. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    UCN is a recognized equivalent of an RA University. What has been posted here is that the reluctance to evaluate it has nothing to do with the quality itself but the seeming proliferation of them from a Central American school through a third-party (if I understand). You will have earned a PhD and not be six figures in debt to Walden, Capella, and so on.
     
  6. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Since UCN is recognized by the only authority in its country that can do so, it's true that they are generally considered equivalent by evaluators that still accept their degrees for evaluation. However, Cacoleman is taking into account the issues they've had with blacklisting and the chain of associations they've had with other blacklisted schools. In that chain you'll find Azteca, Swiss Management Center (who recently attempted some shenanigans here and got shut down, lol), and a few others. That may or may not have anything to do with educational quality, but it's a point to be cautious of, and with SMC we have had reports from some members that the program was awful. Haven't heard the same for Azteca or UCN.
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Some of the issues with this operation is the outsourcing issue. A private company overseas delivers the course locally and UCN/Azteca grants the degree. I believe some evaluators would consider Azteca (with RVOE) and UCN degrees granted on campus as RA equivalent. This type of operation is normal with UK, Australian and even some Canadian universities. The education business is becoming complex so I believe this would become normal in the future.
     
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  8. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    I think most companies in the private sector may be satisfied with an ENEB Masters degree or other propio graduate provided their other credentials are good. Most companies in the private sector only want a Bachelors anyway so a Masters Propio or an non-accredited Masters can still be considered a plus provided that the school is reputable and credential are verifiable. If it doesn't count as a degree, it is still continuing education which at the employer's discretion often replaces a degree. I'm speaking based on the US.

    Also, speaking on validation of degrees, since we have Coursera and other well known MOOC's partnering up with universities to offer degrees, many from the US would be open minded about the Azteca/UCN relationship as well as other foreign partnerships because they are quite similar to what Coursera and others are doing. It's more of a problem for evaluators who wants to keep their university partners happy who overcharge their students and want to blacklist inexpensive foreign universities who make partnerships with legitimate businesses or colleges offering education services that are in line with higher education standards for credit and degrees.
     
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  9. cacoleman1983

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  10. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    I just had a look at the Grupo Tarraco schools, seems that in addition to their own non-accredited Master they are offering a certificate of Latin American (state recognized?!) Schools which confirms a certain amount of ECTS. How can a Latin American school confer European ECTS?
    I just had a brief look but this setting doesn't really convince me.

    Any other new titulo propio offers :D?
     
  11. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    You bet! I am doing it so you don't have to... It's ok, but I don't recommend it.

    https://www.groupon.es/deals/ibt-2-3
     
  12. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Interesting, they've got another program that looks good for those who speak Spanish, I wonder how much it costs, the reservation is already 2K. It's a 3 year online program, seems similar to a propio but for the doctoral level instead of masters.

    Link: PhD in Big Data and Quantitative Finance - Instituto IBT
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - this is a dual Spanish-Mexican thingy. It's a bit confusing, but if I read it right, you get a Master's from the Spanish school and a Master's and a Doctorate from the Mexican Uni, UNADE. Reminds me of Azteca joint deals with Nicaragua. I'll pass. Good luck with US evaluators on that Doctorado! Nice, if you like a whole sheaf of wallhangers, though. It appears you get three: a Master Oficial, a Master Universitario and the Doctorado. ¡Ole! Grouponistas, por favor hagan fila a la derecha. (Grouponistas please line up on the right.)
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Might be a way for someone presently without a viable Master's to get to "'Ciudad Doctorado" (Doctorate City) in a hurry. One of the Master's is good enough to admit you into the Mexican Doctoral program. How your luck goes once you've earned the Doc - I dunno. Some people like to gamble.

    If there's a RVOE number on the Doctoral program at UNADE - you'd probably be OK. I didn't look.
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm still not looking... but maybe it's a master's from Spain and an "unofficial" doctorate from Mexico, which is "validated by" a Costaraguan Uni. And your money is split three ways... wouldn't surprise me. I don't smoke "Mexican Propio" any more. Always leads to hallucinations... :)
     
  16. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    It looks like the setup of this program is the exact same thing as the Universidad Isabel I/ENEB partnership. You are awarded ECTS credits through Universidad Isabel I certificate although the ENEB degree is non-accredited. Provided that an evaluator approaches the completion of studies through Universidad Isabel I, you get some recognition up to less than an accredited master but a non-accredited Master if evaluated through ENEB based on FCE results so far.
     
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  17. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    Strange, in the Groupon ad I don´t find any hint to the degree validation by the mexican university.... on the homepage they refer to the mexican partner.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Groupon has such a variety of deals. They have to write a lot of copy. Maybe they're not particular experts in higher ed. and just overlook some of the ins and outs - and let their client handle those. It's a degree program - offered by their client - what do they (Groupon) know about validation, etc.??? They don't HAVE to know --- because WE do.

    Even if the client wrote the copy - there's likely a word limit with Groupon and no possibility of telling the whole story in a condensed space - so the client's site does that. Either way, I have no problem with it.
     
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  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No problem with the presentation, that is. It doesn't mean I have no reservations about the doctorado itself. And I do.
     

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