Grupo Tarraco Formacion or oh no, not another Master Propio stuff

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  1. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!

    There is a Spanish company called "Grupo Tarraco" who offers Master and PG courses in cooperation with, among other universities, the "Universidad Catolica de Cuyo". The latter is listed as H+ in the German anabin data base. Funny company, by the way. They even offer on one of their websites a Master in beer brewing.

    Well, as brewing beer is not my thing, I chose another course:

    Máster en Aprovisionamiento -Jefe de Compras

    Well, that's my day job. Again, I prepared a Q&A section for those who are interested.


    Is it an Master Degree?

    It’s a Titulo Propio with academic credits. See the certificate itself. - But no, not in the sense „Master’s Degree“ is usually used.

    Will it be recognized in the US?

    It was not that important for me. I will list it as „Master Propio“ under CPD. I, personally, don’t think so.

    What do you learn?

    Purchasing and Supply Chain Management. Good course. Covers, however, too much of the basics. It is listed as „Head of Purchasing“ in the course catalog, but it should rather be something like „Crash course in all what you need to know if you are an one-man-show“; as the topic leadership etc. is not covered. It does not include advanced techniques, too.


    How are the exams like?

    MC tests, time limit. No way to pass it without knowing very well what you are doing. Passed with 78% (passing grade 75%), and I do this stuff since 20 years on a daily base.


    Was it worth the time and the money?

    Well, I had a nice refresher course for this topic in Spanish (to learn more of the language) and I got a nice certificate at the end of the course. With the words „Master“ and „ECTS points“ on it. What more could a heart desire?! :)

    Are there any extra benefits?

    There is the opportunity to inscribe oneself in some sort of job fair. At this point, not interesting for me.


    Would you recommend it?

    See above. As I paid little more than 600 Euro in total, I would say – works for me.


    Of course, YMMV, as usual.



    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     

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  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Only question: you say you'll list it under Continuing Professional Development (or similar) as "Master Propio" but won't that raise more questions than it answers? Or are you expecting to only list it with employers who might know what a propio is.

    If I were not going to call it a Master's degree then perhaps "Certificate of Master in Procurement" or something would work, similar to how you can earn a Certificate in Master Esthetician or similar.
     
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  3. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!

    Those who would employ me (electronic SMEs) would most likely not really bother or ask me, those who would sort me out because of this (major cooperations) are not my target group! Now, I have simply listed it under CPD as "Máster en Aprovisionamiento (Titulo Propio)".

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
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  4. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    That looks like a really nice certificate, Mac.
    600 euro is a bit expensive but looks really great.
     
  5. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    Lol has Eneb already destroyed the prices that much, that 600 Euros are considered to be expensive:D
    It's a nice option this certificate and it will bring Out potentatial employers less google results than Eneb.
    Unfortunately they offer No PhD or DBA so I still have to wait for that kind of offer.
     
  6. Mac Juli

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  7. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Do I understand it well that you can finish an entire degree in under one month with them?
    If so then I would be interested in this deal too. Just to address my suboptimal undergrad GPA.
     
  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    You already did one of these with ENEB and it was dismissed by the American schools you applied to.

    I don't know that adding more propios will change that.
     
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  9. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    They denied it because it wasn't from an AACSB school. Which I honestly still don't understand. Why didn't the AACSB mattered at the undergrad level but at the grad level it suddenly did?
    By the way, that certificate Mac was talking about looks quite '' official '' even though we know it's propio. So maybe they wouldn't bother to verify.
    But you're right. For now I'm holding off on spending needlessly on a certificate that won't likely help in admission.
    But it's still a great deal. Even better than ENEB. 150 for a master is unbeatable I would say.
     
  10. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Didn't matter* damn autocorrect.
     
  11. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Is it an Master Degree?

    It’s a Titulo Propio with academic credits. See the certificate itself. - But no, not in the sense „Master’s Degree“ is usually used.

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    Well, it's not a Master's because it's only 24 ECTS, 600 hours. A legit Master's is normally (at least) about 60 ECTS, 1500 hours or greater. This is a Master certificate.
     
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  12. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Were you trying to use the ENEB degree as a Bachelor's based on the ECE evaluation? Or, were you using it as a Master's based on WES' evaluation? Orrrrr (lol), were you trying to just transfer the ENEB degre in as-is with no foreign credential evaluation?
     
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  13. datby98

    datby98 Member

    I heard the courses by ENEB are really rigid including many writing jobs. Is that information correct? If so, I wonder why those accreditation agencies have the positions to look down upon them, just too cheap to be true?
     
  14. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    We have like a 60 page thread on it, but the short version is that the degrees are non-accredited programs offered by otherwise accredited institutions. They're roughly analogous to a state-approved school. So from the perspective of the accrediting agencies, they're not equivalent to an accredited program offered at a US school. What they are differs depending on who you talk to, but I think the closest evaluation is "Non-recognized Master's degree" by WES.
     
  15. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Depends on what you see as "looking down". At the moment, I'd say the evaluations have been positive even though I disagree with the reasons given for some of them. I suppose the ECE evaluation could be categorized in the way you put it given that they evaluated the Master's as a U.S. regionally accredited Bachelor's degree, but even then, depending on what one plans to do with it, that evaluation can be a major barrier-breaker: an incredibly cheap Bachelor's degree that gets you into a U.S. Master's program would be a big win.
     
  16. datby98

    datby98 Member

    Thanks Dustin and LearningAddict. I see the reasons. No wonder some folks on this forum hesitate, it will be related to their future endeavors (such as migration?). Otherwise, once I had my ultimate doctorate degree, I would not have an issue by taking these cheap courses for self-satisfaction and putting them on my resume.

    Nevertheless~ Maybe in another parallel universe, another me is complaining why the Spanish WES within the bullying superpower just reject my Harvard Titulo Propio. Le me see if I could perceive the quantum entanglement.
     
  17. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    They didn't ask foreign credential evaluation. She looked at a list with AACSB accredited schools in Spain and said "not AACSB accredited so can't be taken into consideration" and then she said "overall undergrad GPA at 2.60. At first sight I don't think we'll be a good match. ". Thing is she literally took the European GPA and compared it as is to a US GPA without taking the ECTS system into consideration. The 2.60 GPA was calculated by weighing the gpa of my associate's degree and of my EQF6 diploma in business and taking the mean of those.
     
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  18. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!

    I did it in less than two weeks, so, yes, in less than one month is possible. But
    Well, you're right, but nevertheless, it's called "Master". Well, maybe a PG Diploma?
     
  19. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Even then you probably wouldn't get a U.S. grad diploma equivalent evaluation with less than 30 credits which I believe this would be less than when converted. In the U.S. and in Spain, I doubt it would be looked at as anything more than a certificate. Nothing bad about that of course.
     
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  20. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Do you think it will help to provide a school you want to gain admission at with a thesis from a previous program you attended, in order to show them your rese
    Do you think it will help to provide a school you want to gain admission at with a thesis from a previous program you attended, in order to demonstrate your research abilities?
     

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