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Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Kizmet, Feb 12, 2020.

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm curious. Where does this sense of detached, utopian equality come from? In all walks of society, including this one, distinctions are routinely made between participants. Not all manufacturers are equal. Not all customers are equal. Not all products are equal. Not all authors are equal.

    While I don't think one can simply claim a superior position by fiat, simple observation and logic clearly determine that there are distinctions to be made between various posters and what they post. In a discussion thread about education, education and experience with it most certainly matter, and are likely to preponderate in the discussion.

    Finally, if "disrespect should never be encouraged," perhaps one should not be disrespectful to begin with.
     
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  2. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    But you and Steve piss on every school that you two claim to be a diploma mill (even when it's not) but when it comes to the two of you people have to kiss the ground you walk on. You think that's logic?
    Steve was super disrespectful to Mac Juli in another thread and insinuated that he couldn't properly search just because he posted about a school that Steve did not approve of.
    He belittled Mac Juli for not having a bachelor degree.
    Is that respectful according to you?
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes it is. Steve has proven that. He holds no degrees from unaccredited institutions. Period. OK - for a brief period, he attended a then-unaccredited school. That does not give him an "Unaccredited past." Long ago, Rich Douglas (before he was Dr. Douglas) enrolled in what turned out to be an unaccredited school. He soon realized what was up, withdrew and went on to earn his doctorate at an accredited school. All his degrees are from accredited schools. He does not have an "unaccredited past" either. And he holds, IIRC about seven fully-accredited degrees.

    Back in the mid-80s I drank the Kool-Aid. I plunked down my $795 for one semester and enrolled at an unaccredited University (Canadian). I completed one semester, bailed (not "failed") and went on to graduate from two properly-credentialed Colleges and one public University that has a good rep. I don't think I can be said to have an "Unaccredited past" either. You may disagree if you like, but that won't make you right.

    There is a tendency here sometimes, for people to grasp at straws. They seize on one small point of little-or-no significance and belabor it till it is dead -- and are disappointed that it will not get up again and try to serve their purpose.
     
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I refer, of course, not to Union but to M.I.G.S. - Monterrey Institute of Graduate Studies. For some reason, the thread has been preserved forever. You don't need to, take my word - but you can see it on the Forums page. It has its own slot. And I repeat - that, to me, does not give Dr. Douglas an "Unaccredited past." So, please don't seize the point and worry it to death. Anyone.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Well, see, you actually have experience in educational program delivery, and TO YOU there's a difference. For unwashed masses, "no bums in seats" == "online". And in any case, as far as credibility is concerned, this is a distinction without difference. In your own example, if the University gave you a Web page with links to download articles from library instead of opting for killing trees: would that make the program more or less credible? I was in a relatively new University of London program, and they added rather robust online environment (while retaining the typical British 3-hour, proctored, pencil-on-paper exams) - did it harm the program's standing? No.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What? Please give me just one example of a school I've called a diploma mill that is not.

    You're the first poster who has ever lumped Steve Levicoff and I together. Get a clue.
     
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  7. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    You are both as pretentious as the other. That's why I lump you together. Both of you love behaving superior. The only distinction that there is to be made is that Steve is openly a bully on top of that all and you can hide it better.
     
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  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What was wrong with MIGS was not related to accreditation. The operation fell under the umbrella of the properly recognized CEU Monterrey. There are a lot of reasons for criticizing the abortive MIGS effort--I know, I quickly became of their loudest critics. But the school that would have issued the degrees, the CEU, is properly accredited in Mexico. (Re-reading your post, I see that you weren't calling it "unaccredited." Sorry.)

    (Again, lots of other reasons for criticizing them--include what seems to be the leasing of that degree-granting authority from CEU with no serious oversight by the school over the American operations.)
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Hard to argue with that.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    For ad hominem, that's pretty weak tea. Have fun!

    (I'll wait for your example that you've not yet provided.)
     
  11. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Was not an ad hominem, my dear. I don't stoop to that level. I leave that to certain doctors.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is a strawman. I didn't say any of it. I merely pointed out that the Union program and the Leicester program were in no way "online."

    The reason Leicester sent the materials by paper instead of electronically had to do with licensing restrictions on the academic publications.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah, because you are not actually arguing that "online" degrees are "not real". Steve does.

    Most academic libraries give faculty access to paywalled articles. This can be done.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I do, however, have some history with an unaccredited (at the time) school. Two, in fact. While I've argued for the need for a school to get accredited, I'm also well-steeped in the history of nontraditional education, where even stalwarts like Walden were once unaccredited. And I don't have a track record of unaccredited = diploma mill, despite what some poster might think.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yet, you did. (You just did it again. Calling someone "my dear" can be considered condescending.)

    Still waiting...

    Or are you always in the practice of attacking people with unsubstantiated claims?
     
  16. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Plenty of decent unaccredited schools.
    And yes, you can find a job with an unaccredited agree if you can sell it well enough.
    Like that or not.
     
  17. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Time for your nap, doctor.
     
  18. innen_oda

    innen_oda Active Member

    Agreed entirely, but trying to explain this to him isn't going to get you very far. There's no value in trying to control others. Your call, of course, but I found this board to be drastically improved when I just skipped over his posts entirely. I might occasionally miss some incredibly genius insight - but I'm learning to live with what is no doubt a great loss to my existence.
     
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  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    We are in awe of your 52 posts (equivalent of a slow week in Rich's prime here) and pearls of wisdom therein.

    Pro tip: if you want to defend a program like ENEB's (which I actually like, if one acknowledges it's limitations), try not to sound like ad hominem-spewing degree mill shills. This forum saw these in droves.
     
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the clarification. Appreciated.
     
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