Ground zero question

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by rickyjo, Aug 22, 2010.

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  1. HikaruBr

    HikaruBr Member

    Well, they do have McDonalds restaurants and they sell Coke (two of the great american symbols for the rest of the world) in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    It's not that different from the mosque issue.

    But I do understand why people are pissed and, yes, it does sound like a provocation (specially with the 9/11 date).
  2. HikaruBr

    HikaruBr Member

    Why not? You belittled my opinion about immigration in some threads ago only because I'm not american.
  3. HikaruBr

    HikaruBr Member

    Well, complementing what I said earlier, I've just discovered that the US Army has three facilities in the Hiroshima prefecture (that would be the metropolitan area of Hiroshima).

    So, the US Army, that killed around 150.000 civilians in Hiroshima has facilities in that city.

    But a Japanese monument in Pearl Harbor would be unacceptable as would a Mosque close to the ground zero?

    Talk about double standards!!!

    And let's remember that this new Mosque does not have any relationship with the 9/11 terrorist, while the US Army is the same army that bombed Hiroshima.
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    If it's a small pool then just one or two might be enough. ;)
  5. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

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  6. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Just One Point

    Whether or not they should build a mosque/islamic center is a completely separate issue as to whether or not they should be allowed to build it.
  7. NorCal

    NorCal Active Member

    I'm view myself as a conservative, so as for this thread, I'll keep my opinion to myself. HOWEVER, I really strongly disagree with hot french girl comments, lol.

    I remember seeing that Windows 7 commercial with that french girl on a caffeine buzz. And all I can say is that I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Oreo's. : )
  8. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    McDonalds and Coke?
  9. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Yes we get to have our troops there , we won the war they started.
  10. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    MC is 100% right, we should make sure to be clear about the extent of our opinions and if those who dislike the idea of a mosque are actually saying we should disallow it. I for one dislike the location but would never suggest the government stop it from being built.

    B4: I don't think the indiscretion of hostile Japan should affect our decisions concerning cultural matters in modern friendly Japan.
  11. HikaruBr

    HikaruBr Member

    Yep, McDonalds and Coke. As an american you probably don't realize that, but for the rest of the world those two are americans symbols as much as the american flag.

    Actually, even more.

    McDonalds knows that too well, as their restaurants are normally the target for extreme left wing activists around the world (that's not a developing world perception - that used to happen a lot in France).
  12. HikaruBr

    HikaruBr Member

    Who started the war is irrelevant for this discussion - I'm talking about the killing of civilians without proper justification (the japanese civilians didn't start the war with America. Japan wasn't even a democracy at that time. The bomb could've been dropped in a military target) and then putting a american base there.

    If you think that's ok, you're entitled to your opinion..

    But then shut up about the Mosque, because it's not even close in terms of offensiveness to this.
  13. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    I'm not sure junk food is the very best image we could be known for ^_^. Oh well!
  14. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    First off they want our troops to stay their.
  15. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    We should allow them to build this even there …...I don’t have to like it. I don't like the religion at all, they can claim they are peaceful but when the bible says kill or convert that does not make it a friendly religion, but I’m sure they don't like mine. We all know why they are doing this......
  16. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    B4, I'm glad we agree the government cannot forcefully shut down the mosque. I share your distaste for the location (albeit less-so than you and for different reasons), but there's nothing a religion-neutral government can (or should) do.

    I don't really think the intent is malicious, I just think that it's a mistake, and I can also understand why some people would fear that the intent may be other than that expressed by the people backing the project.

    I agree with Hikaru that if the Japanese were opposed to building our bases so near the site of a tragedy involving us in a prior conflict that the same rules apply and we should respect that as well. I'm unaware of any negative feelings but if it was strongly expressed prior to construction I think that we should have submitted to those feelings unless there was a really good reason.

    In the end, I guess, I wish the builders would just issue a believable statement about why they felt the necessity to choose that specific location. I believe some of the more reasonable dissenters would have backed off, now I fear it's too late for that kind of reasonable dialog.
  17. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Well, I'm sure that by "bible" you meant quran. It doesn't say what you claim it says:
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  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I know they do not call it the Bible. But I used a term that I knew all would know.

    Here’s the part you left out of that scripture....

    So you fight them till they believe in Allah......

    That sounds peaceful....

    Getting better...

    I'm feeling the love......

    The sounds fun loving.....

    Newsweek ran a story about this little quote…

    Have you even read the Qur’an MC? I have and I own a copy. Let’s not try to make these people seem like they have a peace loving religion by using a few quotes with parts omitted from them. I can go on all day with messed up stuff from the Qur’an. I could start posting the Kill all the Jews and the days of end when the trees tell the hiding spots of the Jews behind them...I think this is good for now.
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not sure about the rest of Japan, but the Okinawans do not want U.S. troops to remain on their particular island. It's been a major issue there.

  20. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Yes your right to some extent, but the merchants their do want them to stay.
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