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Discussion in 'Nursing and medical-related degrees' started by laferney, Dec 10, 2022.

  1. laferney

    laferney Member

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  2. sanantone

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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not saying anyone should sign up with Euclid --- or not. BUT - this is from the most recent post by Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck, the face of Euclid. Apparently Euclid has gone through "the entire accreditation process" and is fully recognized in Gambia.

    "This being said, EUCLID obtained a second official HQ in The Gambia in 2013 and got settled there in 2015 while maintaining our CAR presence. We went through the entire accreditation process with their national agency called NAQAA and received full institution accreditation in 02/2022. We have a significant presence there (a nice building as well) and our academic operations have reached a good level since EUCLID began in 2008."

    Full recognition in that country, as of 02/22. Not "pay for a license and issue degrees of no standing." Okay, it's not U.S. Regional Accreditation. But it's something, anyway -something real. Just so y'all know.

    It's all here:
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And to anyone who feels "it's fine for Gambians - but not for us" - I'm OK with that. Your call. Whatever works.
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    An astute observer just sent me info that the same Gambian Accreditation Body (NAQAA) which accredited Euclid, has also accredited International Open University, headed by a known radical Islamist, who has been banned from several countries and was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a major bombing in the US.. I checked. That's correct. 100%.

    I have nothing against Euclid, but I sure don't like their accreditor, based on the above. Is it something I'd take into consideration, if I were contemplating enrolling with Euclid? Yeah. You bet I would! :(
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  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I think we discussed this initiative before. It looks like the courses are designed by legitimate academics in US and Canada, and quite accomplished ones to boot.
    Euclid is a weird duck that is fun to discuss. I am impressed with them demonstrating activity like this. Helps make up for their unclear accountability situation. In this case, NextGenU gives away the courses for free for international universities to adopt, so it's not like Euclid shows some amazing scholarly prowess. Nonetheless, they did it, and they managed to get featured on NextGenU's page - so they managed to impress at least someone enough to get that.
    I like Euclid, I really do. That being said, would I recommend a degree from there? A student has to be ready to have to explain the whole "multilateral treaty University" all the time.
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I like Fr. Cleenewerck. I really do. I've said that before. But since this Gambian thing came to light i.e. - "that" other school being accredited by the same Government agency - albeit on a three-year provisional licence - I'm no more in love with Euclid than I ever was. Call it guilt by association or whatever - as you wish. It won't change.

    And in the case of medical studies - I suspect that if you wanted to work outside of Africa - you'd be explaining for the rest of your life and likely never get licensed. Yes, we have African-trained doctors practising in Canada. (And it's NOT easy for them to get through the hoops here.) But not doctors graduating from schools like this - schools with SO many questions attached.

    This is strictly for locals. If it makes competent doctors - for its own country -- I'm for it.
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I've never seen any suggestion that North Americans are Euclid's target market anyway.
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm not really sure, Steve. I have referred to Fr. Cleenewerck as "the face of Euclid" because his is the only name I ever knew to associate with Euclid - and he resided in California for quite some time. He taught for an RA school there, IIRC. I really have no idea one way or the other if Euclid actively sought US students or not - or how many people anywhere outside of Africa were enrolled.

    Euclid DID care about what we said. I'm sure you remember those incidents. Whether or not Americans were in their target zone for enrolment - I'm not sure.
  10. datby98

    datby98 Active Member

    Thanks Johann, I think Euclid only targets students from underdeveloped areas and those without a deep pocket, like me.
    Several years ago I did complete one course at Euclid about academic writing and standard citation requirements regarding the Turabian, Chicago, Harvard, and Oxford styles, preparing a good essay, and Plagiarism. One recommended textbook, Writesource 2000 seems should be used by high school students in developed areas (grade 6? I am not familiar with the American high school grades), but I don't have a problem reading it in my thirties and taking notes for grammatical rules including using punctuations that I did not know or overlooked before. As a non-English speaker, I cannot say those materials are useless at all. However, I didn't continue other courses in the program I initially applied to because I was accepted by another university in the US, and I didn't want to push myself too hard for additional 5-22 pages at the same time. For a short course, I didn't experience anything I wanted to complain about.
    BTW, I recall, I exchanged a few emails with Fr. Cleenewerck. He responded to me within an acceptable time and in an appropriate manner.
    Those are just my personal experience and feelings for sharing purposes, without any intent to defend someone or some entity or to debate.
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    American high school is 4 years - grades 9 to 12. Canada is the same, except for Quebec, which always insists on being different. "Distinct Society," etc. There, it's five years, Grades 7-11.
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    In the rest of Canada you can enter University after Grade 12. Here are the rules for Quebec:

    "Admission is granted after 13 years of school instead of 12 years due to the minimum of 2 years of pre-university college studies in Québec. Admission to undergraduate studies generally requires that you have a Diploma of College Studies (DCS)"

    In Quebec, you finish High School with Grade 11 and then get that 2-year diploma from either a CEGEP or a private college. Explanation here:

    60-odd years back (when I graduated high school), Ontario, where I lived then and still do, had a similar rule. Grade 12 got you a high school diploma - Grade 13, still at your high school, got you another diploma and the entrance requirement for University. In 1993 Grade 13 was re-named OAC (Ontario Academic Credit). OAC was finally done away with by 2003 and Grade 12 is both the University and College requirement.
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Understood, Datby. I have no gripe against Euclid itself. And I won't be going there anyway, as it's not a school that meets my individual needs. My gripe is not with Euclid, but rather with its accreditor. This accreditor admitted a school into its fold, which is owned by a man who is banned from several (or is that many?) countries for promulgating radical Islam(ism?) and who was also named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a major bombing in the US.

    In my view, that accreditor's action in this instance is as bad as it gets. As I see it, it has thereby tarred ALL its member schools with a very ugly brush. As I said, Euclid does not meet any needs of mine anyway - but even if it did, I would not want to attend any school accredited by this Gambian outfit. If I can't / don't trust the accreditor, how could I have any confidence in ANY of its member schools?

    I don't expect or require anyone else to feel the same way. These are my own thoughts as an individual.
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  14. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Generally speaking, American students enter kindergarten at age 5 or 6. Kindergarten through 5th-7th grade is elementary school (it depends on the region.). 6th or 7th grade until 8th or 9th grade is middle school (where available; I think some places don't actually have middle school). 8th to 10th until 12th grade can be considered HS, depending on region. Though, when Americans speak of high school, it's usually 9th-12th grade.

    In the region where I grew up, K-6 was elementary. 7-9 was middle school. 10-12 was high school.

    I've heard of other places where K-5 is elementary, 6-8 is middle school, 9-12 is high school.

    I'm pretty sure there are other divisions, too, like K-3 being a separate school from the older kids and there being no middle school, per se.

    Yes, it's confusing. Yes, it confuses other Americans.
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Canadians too. It's beyond confusing - it's confounding. Americans seem to enjoy things that are convoluted beyond all understanding.

    As a non-American, I sometimes feel that the only US area I can understand is Louisiana. And its politics are as bizarre as anywhere. Remember Gov. Earl Long - "Uncle Earl?" Paul Newman played him in "Blaze" which I thought was a pretty good movie, years ago. Lolita Davidovich, a Canadian actress, co-starred, as exotic dancer Blaze Starr. (The real Blaze made a cameo appearance. I loved them both.) But, as everybody knows nowadays, that State is actually run from the porch of a cypress fishing cabin in Hernandez Parish, by six elderly men. :)

    "What school do you go to, Jimmy?"
    I'm not sure -- my Mom says it's Grade School, my Dad says it's High School and Grandpa Johann says it's Middle School. I DON"T KNOW ANY MORE!"

    Weird. "Don't worry, Jimmy. You're 14. In 4 more years you'll be going to college. There's only RA, NA, For Profit, Non-Profit, State, Private vs. Public, Programmatic accreditation, FAFSA, Student Loans and oh yeah - Rankings - and maybe about a dozen other things to worry about there. It's much easier. ....
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  16. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    At one time, Teach Me Medicine offered enrollment and a clinical phase to help people get licensed in their home countries. I don't recall their ever being a degree offered so perhaps they went about recognition in another way. The target was mostly poorer and less developed countries where there is a shortage of Doctors. But once the issues of 2020 hit, that enrollment shut down and has not come back since. Some of the open courses are no longer operating either. Real shame, because the concept they had was one with great potential, even the monsters at the Student Doctor Network gave it positive words (and they hate everything that doesn't fit into a traditional model) so that said something.

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