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This is why we need vaccines AND masks, not vaccines OR masks.

 

Historically many who promote the anti-vaccination agenda claim vaccines to be more dangerous than the disease and also claim that public health measures are an assault on personal rights and an overreach of government power.
These claims in the more distant past were not always groundless, yet their risks were exaggerated.
Individuals shouldn't capitalize on medical crises for personal or political gain.

 

One thing we all should do is try and not mix in the data and biased framing of said data. To quite the CDC:

In other words, fully vaccinated people can spread COVID-19, but only IF they get infected - and vaccine is known to lower the risk of THAT happening. So saying "fully vaccinated people can spread the delta variant just like the unvaccinated" is how they put it in certain circles, and is misleading. You can't say "just like" and not explain how it is far less likely. "Motorists who wear a seatbelt can sustain injuries in a crash JUST LIKE those who don't" - technically true but hugely misleading.

Maybe you really should take another look at the sources of information you're using. Like, er, Fox News?

 

https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/evidence-mounts-that-people-with-breakthrough-infections-can-spread-delta-easily

Bill I think the above article is closer to what I sated.
I read the CDC info I quoted was not from Fox.

Was the info you provided was from July 2021?
I read updated info from late Aug.
Need to find the source quoting CDC.

 

The CDC info you've read was not from Fox. Fox (or the echo-chamber where Fox is the biggest fish) just taught you how to read the CDC info. To quote from your link:

In. The. Case. Of. a Breakthrough Infection. I mean, this is the very first sentence! Now, what would make you search for "as if they were not vaccinated at all" while missing the words that come in the same sentence, earlier? My first suspect is Tucker.

 

I haven't watched Tucker in a long time, I mean months.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people."

 

So long story short, NOT "just like unvaccinated".

 

The vaccine isn't a shield. It can't prevent you from being infected. What it does is pre-build your antibodies to fight off infections by the virus. Thus, you can test positive, be contagious, etc. and not even know it because you remain asymptomatic. Additionally, because your immune system is prepared for it, the time you remain infected (and infectious) is diminished.

This is why unvaccinated people should NOT feel safe around vaccinated people. If these people would, you know, join society in the effort to fight this, we could achieve "herd immunity," where the few unvaccinated are largely protected because so many people around them are vaccinated. But that's a high bar in this case because the Republican Party decided to make it a "you aren't the boss of me" political issue, playing on ignorance and toxic masculinity--"owning the libs."

The good news is the pandemic really is one of the unvaccinated, where vaccinated people are only very rarely sickened--and almost never killed--by the virus. Because of the Right's reaction to this matter, the virus has cemented further the bifurcation of our society.

The bad news is that these people are taking up so much limited space and resources--endangering innocent people because of their ignorance, selfishness, and attitudes. If this continues, don't be surprised if more health systems have to resort to crisis-level care, making live-or-die decisions based on that lack of space and resources. The question will be: Who will be omitted from care?