Foreign DL Graduate Degrees

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Filmmaker2Be, Jun 8, 2020.

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    OK done. Game set and match to Learning Addict. Me go home now.
     
  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    LOL! I'm not looking to win anything, I just want to make sure the info is out there for everyone's benefit as I know there are people still unsure of what they want to do, and there are newbies who come in as well.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Fine. That's a good aim and you did a good job.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I see on the transcript NLP.

    Isn't Neurolinguistic programming has failed. The evidence points to its classification as a discredited new age pseudoscience deemed discredited by the science world
    yet the business world seems to see some level of potential.
    NLP practicing organizations claim some success of the program in making better persons in both business as well as personal ventures.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Lerner - I see many sources that discredit Neurolinguistic Programming. Some go as far as calling it a "fraudulent cult." I also see plenty of sources that still teach it. We can get a course on Udemy, for instance - if we want it, that is.

    It wouldn't be the first failed "science" to be taught long after its day. Google "Master's degree in Astrology" and see. Lots of offers. A mainstream, properly-credentialed British university calls theirs the "only" offering. It isn't. Anyway, why would schools quit teaching something like NLP just because somebody called it a "fraudulent cult," while there's still money in teaching it?
     
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  6. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    A lot of you have taken this thread way off topic. I didn't start the thread to debate about the price, legality, or usefulness of this degree. I also didn't start the thread to have people call me dumb for deciding to pursue this degree. You all are going into left field about things that do not affect me. This thread isn't about every Tom, Dick, and Harry under heaven. It's about ME.

    Let me be clear: This degree is not for everyone. But, I am not everyone. I am disabled and pretty much stuck in the house, indefinitely, because my compromised immune system and lung/respiratory issues puts me at high risk for COVID-19. So, no matter what any of you think about this degree, it's perfect for ME. And for ME it's enough that it's fully recognized as a masters degree in Spain. It's a professional masters rather than an academic/traditional masters and that's okay by me.

    My health has thwarted my other efforts to earn a masters degree. That this degree is self-paced as long as I get finished within a certain amount of time is perfect for me, because lupus is unpredictable - one day I can be okay and the next day I can be down for the count. It's been very hard to pursue a graduate degree within the confines of a month, quarter, or even a semester.

    This may be my only and best shot at getting a graduate degree, especially since I'm not willing to take out any new loans.

    So please take all the debate and back and forth to the "Groupon University" thread. This thread is not the place for that. This thread is about a real person with a specific set of real circumstances.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is - and I'm really sorry, if I upset you. I think you are a good person and I wish you every success. I hope you are pleased, and both money and time expended on the degree pay off handsomely. And you're right. A given degree path may not suit everyone - but it can be perfect for someone.

    It's easy to wander off topic in these forums - especially so for an old guy who likes to hear himself talk, like me. Forgive me, please - but please remember that it might well happen again, via me or someone else. And feel free to say something if it does, because it's VERY common in this sort of neighbourhood.

    Again - all the best. Let us know how it turns out - please. Could be a very good learning experience for some of us, e.g. me.
     
  8. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    You're awesome, Johann! I know that most people were just going with the flow and I'm not upset at all! I just wanted to re-center the thread back to it's original purpose. If I had other viable options, I would take them. Like, for real, I thought about trying to start a GoFundMe to raise funds to outright pay for one of the lower cost online MA/MS programs from a RA school. But, I thought the odds of success would be very low. That's why I was so happy when I found this option and found out it is legit. I really think this is the best way for me to go, barring that GoFundMe idea. :D
     
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh, do be careful, Neuhaus, One slip and .... uh, you know.

    WE NOW RETURN TO OUR REGULAR PROGRAMMING
     
  10. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    This isn't completely true. You get a masters diploma from ENEB and a masters diploma from U. Isabel I that is signed by officials at the university. I have no idea why ENEB would send its own masters diploma when they know they can't award degrees. That's odd. Anyhoo, if you go to this thread, someone named raycathode posted his U. Isabel I documents, including his transcript with transcript/grading notations.

    Also, just a couple of days ago, someone else from the USA finished the Master of Business and Professional Communication degree and said they were going to submit it to WES and report back. I think their username is goldendoodle Again, that's not an issue for me, but for those who are curious how it would be evaluated for US equivalency, you might want to keep an eye on the thread.
     
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  11. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    I decided to go for the dual degree MBA plus professional Masters in International Trade. It was too good a deal to pass up. I'm probably going to start it sometime in July. I'm getting ready to move into a new place and want to get fully settled in before turning my attention to the coursework.
     
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  12. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Congrats, classmate!!
     
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  13. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Thank you! I'm excited to start. I'm going to try not to take the entire 24 months, but I also don't want to speed through it and not retain anything.
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    100% correct. I just read all 33 pages of the thread to make sure. Yes - a copy of the U. Isabel 1 diploma was posted. Not surprisingly, it's in English. Smart move. They know their market. Again - my apologies.
     
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  15. Garp

    Garp Active Member

    Very interesting information about ENEB and Universidad Isabel I. I gather from reading the threads associated with this and 26 pages on the other forum that Universidad Isabel is a Spanish accredited University (not prestigious but an accredited private uni). They appear to occupy floors in an historic building. One guy completed his degree, did get a Univ. Isabel diploma and was able to login into the Univ. Isabel system and verify it. So, connection appears legit.

    Question, why does Universidad Isabel not have a .edu suffix? I pulled up another Spanish University when looking at what ECTS was in the Spanish context and the University has a .edu.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The Diploma and Transcript were posted.
    I think the classes listed are nonstandard. I'm not judging good or bad just appear different.

    I already commented on NLP.
    Also, the Comunity section is nonstandard but the degree itself appears nonstandard to me.
    I can be wrong.

    Good luck with the program. I will be interested to know how such degree will be accepted and evaluated in the US.
     
  17. Garp

    Garp Active Member

    NLP seems to be more accepted in the UK and perhaps Europe. It is also in the Nicaraguan University program (run by Europeans). People often parrot criticism of NLP that they have read but the fact is therapists use it (may not realize it) and I even met a medical school student who was talking to me about something the professor said and it was NLP.

    What hurt NLP was that the founders (Bandler and Grinder) never copyrighted it. They developed it after observing Milton Erickson (Psychiatrist and father of modern hypnotherapy), Virginia Satir, etc. It became very popular. They split up their partnership and Bandler sued to get control of NLP. Judge ruled it was too late and had entered public domain. Anyone can train and issue certificates in NLP and there have been attempts but no standardization (although there are some core concepts). There is no central body. No standard credential for entering into training. Anyone can call anything they develop or add on "NLP".

    Both Bandler and Grinder have their own organizations and are very active (Bandler does a lot in the UK). They probably have definitive ideas about what is within the parameters of NLP.
     
  18. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Keep your eye on the thread over a degreeforum.com if you want to know how it will be evaluated in the US. I don't have a need for mine to be evaluated as I don't plan on pursuing a PhD. It's enough for me that it's a legally recognized professional masters degree in Spain.
     
  19. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    NLP is only one section/course in the entire degree. I think too much attention is being paid to it. So what if it's not somebody's cup of tea. There are courses in every degree that someone can say is unnecessary. In my opinion, it's much ado about nothing. And it's also not relevant to this thread. The other thread on this site is better suited for discussions about the merit (or not) of NLP.
     
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  20. Garp

    Garp Active Member

    NLP is rather useful actually. I have looked at the Degreeforum thread. From what I can tell Universidad is accredited, they do issue the ENEB degrees (and one guy noted his degree was verifiable on the Universidad Isabel web site verification system), approved for use in Germany (which is stringent). That Groupon deal does not appear good, it appears exceptional. I wish you well with your studies.
     

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