Foreign DL Graduate Degrees

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Filmmaker2Be, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think they should issue a Diploma in both Spanish and English languages, or both.
    A graduate can decide which one they want.

    Same for the supplement, transcript.
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Why? The course is advertised and taught in English. All assignments are in English. It's obvious where the degrees will be used. It's perfectly proper to use the language of instruction - selon moi. If a Spanish-speaking grad earns a degree (Spanish-language instruction) there - I'm sure his/her diploma etc. will be in Spanish.

    I took a Spanish refresher course last year - my diploma is in English and I'm not complaining. And when I complete my Navajo course I won't complain about my English-language cert. It doesn't come from The Four Corners - and even if it did - why would I complain?
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  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    My sister graduated from Boston College and was awarded a comically oversized diploma written in Latin. She jokes that she can't guarantee what her degree is actually in because she doesn't know what it says.

    Not that I've seen her resume, but I feel I can safely assume that she lists her credentials by their English names.
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Whaat? You mean the language of instruction at Boston College is no longer Latin? ... what is the world coming to? Caelum adjuva nos! (Heaven help us!)
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  5. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Thank you! There is no reason to wash out, now, LOL. I haven't looked into NLP at all. I just know what everybody has said here. My attitude was if I have to take it to get the degree, then I have to take it to get the degree, LOL.
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  6. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right, it doesn't. But fear and greed still make things go along at a fairly smart pace....
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And regardless, Mac - have you never been required to take a course in something you didn't believe in or were certain you would never use? Happens all the time - even at the best of schools. As Filmmaker2Be said " If I have to take it to get the degree, I have to take it to get the degree." I'm sure most of us have done that and some, maybe more than once. It goes with the territory.
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  9. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Of course. However, it is difficult for be (but not impossible) to take an university serious that teaches NLP. I am going to take the course - reluctantly - to get the MBA, but I am going to practice a purification ritual every time after the course! :)

    I mean, gosh dang to heck, I had a great CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) course elsewhere. It was very useful for my job and in private, and CBT is scientifically proven. Why not rather teach this instead of NLP which is more pseudoscience than something else?
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  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's a reasonable question. In all seriousness, why not ask them?
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  11. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Good point. OK, I am going to include something like this in the final assignment for this module: "Seriously, there are more than one publication that claim that NLP is hocus-pocus [include source citation]. I do this here only to get the points for the course; why not include some more serious like CBT or psychology (that is scientifically more funded)? Now, to the coursework..."
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    This, from the University of Leeds (UK) site: "NLP is also a recognised mode of psychotherapy in the UK, accredited by the UK Council for Psychotherapy (assigned to the Experiential Constructivist Therapies section...)"

    So, not every "real" university, everywhere, thinks it's bogus - at least not completely. I found that Udemy has 150 NLP courses in stock! Of course, some unaccredited universities specialize in NLP degrees- notably Selinus U. and Dilts U. The latter has its home on the U.C Santa Cruz campus, where NLP was developed. However, Dilts U. is not covered by the U.C Santa Cruz accreditation.

    I think Brainwashing works better. I'm sure it can be learned at a couple of military universities in North Korea. You want effective? :eek:
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  13. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member if "recognized" has got anything to do with "good quality"... *thinks of SMC University* *goes into a huff*
  14. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    True, but it's one thing to look unfavorably at the quality of a single course taught by a specific school (certainly if that school has some reputation issues), and an entirely different thing to look unfavorably at the quality of a subject as a whole and dismiss it. It seems like the criticisms of NLP come mostly from our part of the globe, but in others it's accepted. I'll go out on a limb here and say that we don't know everything and we're not always right and shouldn't see ourselves as the standard with which the entire world should think and view things.

    I hear that the NLP course at ENEB is taught from an introspection standpoint rather than a scientific practice angle. That sounds rather neutral to me and similar to some courses I've taken where you have to keep accounts of your daily life and connect it to the course subject, guided by the subject framework.
  15. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    What I mentioned about NLP is accurate in that many therapists use it without even realizing it AND due to the fact it is not copyrighted it also has some quacks using it. Coincidentally, I was reading a book by a British PhD (Psychologist) who also mentions the perception issue with NLP and then admits many people (therapists) use its principles. Why do therapists use some of the techniques? Because they are helpful.

    You may enjoy NLP the Essential Guide by Tom Hoobyar and the NLP Workbook by Joseph O'Connor. There are quite practical uses.
  16. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Here are a couple of fun ones with Richard Bandler (entertaining). There is a LOT more to NLP (eg pacing and matching which the BBC did a scientific piece on regarding effectiveness OR use of words).
  17. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Richard Bandler again. However, would recommend the two books I posted above because a lot of NLP is not this but communication which is why it not only gets used in therapy but business.

  18. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    It's just one course out of 13 that you have to take for the MBA. With all the kindness and good will in my heart... dude, suck it up and stop being so dramatic. :D:p
  19. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Well, what do you know? Isabel I is, indeed, in the WES database. Someone on the other site posted a screenshot. I thought WES had added Isabel I to the Degree Equivalency Tool database, but it still wasn't there. So, I created an account and went through the motions like I was requesting an evaluation. When I got to the part where I was to select the foreign university, Isabel I was in the list.

    I'm still a long way from requesting an evaluation, as I haven't even started my program yet. But, I'm posting this here because I said I would report back if I had new information. I'm still waiting for someone, somewhere, to post their US equivalency results.
  20. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Well, guilty as charged!! :)

    But in my defense, this is only a SMALL FRACTION of the drama NLP advocates like Tony Robbins use. And drama aside, I stand my ground regarding the soberer part of my post - NLP is not scientifically proven, so I think it should be rather replaced by CBT or business psychology, and I will do what Steve Foerster suggests in my coursework.
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