Foreign DL Graduate Degrees

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Filmmaker2Be, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'll half-agree, at best. If you buy it (or I buy it) at the reduced rate - it's a $249 degree. That's what we pay. If we pay full-rate - then it's an $8,400 degree. Pretty well all the interest generated here at DI swirls around the price. At $8400, there'd be darn few takers - if any.

    At $249 - lots of interest. At $8,400 - a lot less, if any. If it sells for $249, it's a $249 degree. A year or two ago, in a thrift store, I bought a jacket that originally retailed at $1,700 - for $2. I knew labels and they didn't. And I still say it was a $2 jacket. I say, bought this way, it's a $249 degree.
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Really nice one, though. Italian. :) They had a terrific Colombian one too - Arturo Calle, for a few bucks. Sadly, bit too small for me. I think it may have been made for that Mexican guy - you know, El Chapo.
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  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    The legitimacy question was already answered a while back. We know Isabel is legitimately accredited and we know who they're accredited by, and that the ENEB-Isabel arrangement is not an uncommon practice outside North America. That's old, over, and done with.

    My questions now center on what an evaluation from one of the NACES evaluators would come back with, and what ENEB is doing about the communication turnaround time concerns that I've been hearing more and more over the past few weeks. Some of the communication issues I've read or been told about are inexcusable. It points to signs of either having taken in too many students and they can't service them all, or they are simply being jerks and purposely ignoring some people (and this does happen sometimes, it happened to me at a few schools and I had proof with email tracking which showed my emails being opened multiple times, read for a number of minutes, and closed without a response).

    The thing about these independent study programs is that even though they're meant to put the responsibility of motivation and time management entirely on the student (and that makes it a program type that certainly does not fit everyone), there still has to be proper and timely communication coming from academics when a student needs questions answered. I'll also add that I haven't heard these concerns only from ENEB students who got in with the discount.

    Good materials and a good system setup is great. But even an independent study system falls apart if students can't get questions answered or papers graded.
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  4. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Ahh! I get where you're coming from. That price for a real master's degree is the steal of the century, though. Well, maybe deal of the decade, LOL.
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I don't about ENEB but I completed another propio degree from University Camilo Jose Cela. WES was unable to evaluate because the degree has no transcript as the actual credits are posted in the back of the degree. However, some NACES evaluators take scan copies or notarized copies. This saves a lot of money because WES requires everything to be sent directly to them. The Camilo Jose Cela Masters was evaluated as a post graduate diploma with 30 credits.

    ENEB works with University Isabel I, this last one carries value because it is formally recognized in Spain but the degree is not official so it might not be considered as a degree but a graduate certificate or diploma.
  6. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    It'll be a master's degree in the USA. We don't have graduate diplomas here, but we do have one year master's degrees of just 30 credits, which is what 60 ECTS credits equate to. If graduate diplomas were common here, maybe it would evaluate as one, but it's a moot point. Anyway, I covered this in detail, including how I checked the degree using the WES Degree Equivalency Tool (and a link to Imgur for anyone to see the results screenshot), in an earlier post.
  7. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member


    Sure? - I have seen at least one US university offering graduate certificates (well, yes, not diplomas, however...)

    Best regards,
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  8. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Yes, graduate certificates are common. But, they're usually only about 9-15 credits -- so, not even close. We have a few graduate diplomas, but they're VERY specialized and for people who already have master's degrees.
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying this is going to happen --or not. But it's a somewhat cautionary tale of what DID happen, some years back - about 18 years I think.

    Universities of the State of Chhatisgarh (enough h's for you) India opened up DL degrees to Westerners at incredibly low prices - complete degrees from the low hundreds. There was a stampede of sorts by US and other bargain hunters who largely figured "Indian degrees are usually good. What's to lose?"

    Trouble was - none of the schools involved was UGC approved. (University Grants Commission - a Federal Indian Authority). So the degrees weren't valid for overseas evaluation. Then the State of Chhatisgarh itself weighed in. They closed all 27 non-UGC Universities offering the cheap degrees. No more ultra-cheap schools, no more bargain degrees.

    Could this happen again, somewhere else? Sure it could. Will it in this case? I have no idea. I'm not psychic. Don't have a degree in that.
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I've seen this other Spanish school, offering Business Doctorates and Master's for 15 years or more IIRC... 1,000 Euros a year, full-rate. Lots of scholarships - seem largely awarded to African students, though. Don't recall seeing much concrete evidence of anything that looks like a form of accreditation. Maybe I need to look closer. A while ago, they were talking about morphing into a University. Can't see where anything came of that, except a partnership (terms?) with University of Ouagadougou II in Burkina Faso.

    How are the degrees - or those of Ouagadougou II received in US or elsewhere? I have no idea. I'll leave it to the bargain-sleuths.
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  11. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    They are a partner of the already mentioned ENEB. Cannot be thaaaaat bad, I suppose.
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  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    "It is crucial to note that this is a title of Doctorate in International Business issued by EENI Global Business School, a private institution; it is not a PhD issued by a University. In Spain (and in the European Union), the issuance of Official Diplomas of Doctorates is regulated by the Government but not the Professional Doctorates in International Business (DIB)."

    That seems like a very different thing from ENEB and its relationship with UI1.

    Well, it's a public university, and I suppose that checks the GAAP box. But we've often discussed the sorts of questions that people in wealthy countries, especially Americans, would get about qualifications from schools in low income countries.

    Although ENEB doesn't award degrees, UI1 does. And without UI1, ENEB is just a continuing education provider.
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys. It looks like EENI is a partner with ENEB only. EENI degrees don't have the cachet of Universidad Isabel 1 validation etc. - or, more likely, don't have any cachet whatsoever. EENI offers unregulated degrees - not illegal I suppose, but I'd imagine they're definitely not going to get a Good Housekeeping seal from a recognized evaluator here.

    Maybe a job for the dark side of the market - unrecognized evaluators. I know a couple of those, who will swear your Kazakh High School diploma is equal to a RA Doctorate - but deal with them? Brrrr! :eek:
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    ... So, you studied at U. Ouagadougou, did you? How's your Móorè? No? Dyula, then? ... Fulfulde? ( And so on -- 63 other languages.)
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The WES degree equivalency tool does not differentiate between official and propio degrees. The first challenge is that most propio degrees do not have transcripts. WES would not evaluate without transcript. Also, WES is aware the difference among these two so most likely will not recognize it even if you manage to overcome the transcript issue.
    It is really not a degree but more like a Masters certificate.
    And yest, there are plenty schools in the US that offer graduate certificates or graduate diplomas. I have one from a Canadian school and WES evaluated it as a post graduate 30 credit diploma.
    The Spanish degree was evaluated as a post graduate certificate with 30 credits.
    There are difference among NACES evaluators, you might find one that gives you the MAsters equivalency if they are not aware of propio vs official degrees but you would need to shop around.
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    No, this was a NACES evaluator for an American equivalency and not Canadian.

    I used to adjunct for US schools, this propio degree helped me to qualify to teach a different subject.
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Burkina Fasso is perhaps the most unstable country in Africa. Most likely will not pass GAAP for a Doctorate degree.
    Would it work for a US citizen? I think it will look ridiculous in your CV, but you are welcome to try.

    People are already pushing it with degrees from Nicaragua, Costa Rica, etc but now we have people that want a Burkina Fasso degree.

    Maybe next year we will have a partnership between a private school and a University in Mars with recognition from the Galatic Federation of planets. Everything is possible now.
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I had a colleague from Kazakhstan that used to write Masters degree in his CV with a diploma from this country. He claimed that his degree was superior to a Canadian BSc degree. Maybe, the guy is a good programmer but with so many differences in education systems across the planet and with the internet. we will start getting people that were born in Alabama with PhDs from Burkina Fasso asking for a pay raise as a high school teacher. It is getting ridiculous.
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. I know a school where I can sign up for Klingon lessons. "Live long and prosper." Talk about "to boldly go!"
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    My experience with really good programmers (and I admired them all for their skills) is that 100% of those I met had giant egos. I think that might be because they had to have supreme confidence in themselves. to get to where they were - attempting and accomplishing really advanced, difficult projects. "Humble" just didn't belong in their skill set. I could see why.

    (If he wants, I think I could set him up with an "evaluator" who will, for a fee, back up his claim in writing. :) )

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