I just wanted to say something about this -- if someone starts a business that ultimately fails, that's still a useful experience that will stay with them for a long time. I started a business that didn't exactly crash, but had a somewhat lucky landing, and what I took away from it was invaluable. -=Steve=- P.S. Mods, I know this is from a closed thread, but it's something said that was tangential to why the thread was closed and from a whole page back from there, so I'm hoping it's not a big deal. If it is, my apologies, and axe this thread too, I guess.