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Seriously - I don't see the name of a University -ANYWHERE on this course. The course is facilitated through a business school. (!) I doubt this would be even close to admitting you to any kind of practice, or even close, in a thousand years. Looks like good and systematic knowledge, though. Probably worth what you pay.

From the site:

Titulación de Maestría Internacional en Medicina Interna con 600 horas expedida por EDUCA BUSINESS SCHOOL como Escuela de Negocios Acreditada para la Impartición de Formación Superior de Postgrado, con Validez Profesional a Nivel Internacional

It pays to read (or run a translate thingy) on ALL of this stuff.

 

Hay bendito! A school of business heading the internal medicine masters program. I have to agree that these learning modules are roughly a continuing education equivalent. One can attend Medscape for free. Medscape Education | Multispecialty

 

And of course this Titulación de Maestría is not what we know as a full Master's degree - propio or otherwise. It's 600 hours. What we know as a Master's -- is around 1600 hours with their system. I believe it's fully legal to use the term -- they know what it is, there - and it's not a degree.

 

¡Por cierto!

And I think this is the school where someone I know finished a full Master propio - 1500 hours, in a complex tech. subject - in 11.5 hours, so... "Adjust your expectations, all ye who enter here." (Apologies to Dante Alighieri)

 

Is a "propio" higher than a "titulacion?"

 

"Propio" is an adjective - it pertains to a degree (not doctoral) taught by a valid university, that it has not sought permission for, from the required authority - Ministry or whatever. (This is allowable.) It ONLY applies to degrees of valid universities. This thingy here is not from a University.

Titulación de Maestría is definitely "Master's Degree." They call this a master's but it's not awarded by a University -- and it doesn't have nearly the usual required hours. There's probably a legal wrinkle somewhere that allows this business school to award this --- but I'm not having any. It can be a master's of some sort on their turf -- but here? I doubt it.

Propio evaluated as an RA Master's here? A crapshoot
This 600 hour thing from a business school? Not a chance ...says Johann

 

Alpine - please see above.

 

Thanks. I have a friend who graduated from a Mexican medical school and was awarded a diploma, but after a year of social service and a year of internship he was upgraded to a "Titulo." Not the same thing as titulacion?

 

Título means "degree" or "qualification." Titulacion is the awarding of a "título." Just ask what kind of "título" your friend received? I'm sure it says, on the award - and your friend would know.

 

Awarded or recognized with a Titulo de Medico y Cirujano. Much like an MD but had to complete diploma (Medical school) followed by an internado (Internship) then 1 year of servicio social (social service) for the University or perhaps the country of Mexico to award the "Titulo."

 

Felicidades a su amigo / amiga. Congratulations to your friend. Doctor and surgeon.
https://www.uhipocrates.edu.mx/2019/06/07/quieres-estudiar-para-medico-cirujano/

 

Thanks but he never was able to get a residency in the State even after passing all the medical license exams.

 

Propios can be taught by any school. In terms of volume and number of programs, most propio programs in Spain are taught by "education centers" which are often in a partnership with one or more accredited universities like ENEB is with Isabel. Independent unaccredited schools offer propios but generally those schools aren't looked at favorably because their degrees are not backed by an accredited University.

A 1-year Master's is equivalent to 1500 ECTS. A Master propio can be greater than 1500 ECTS and those do exist, but 1500 is the most prevalent. A 600 ECTS program is a Master certificate.

Pretty much every Spanish university offers propios and they do it with a sense of pride because they see it as their own unique offering, an opportunity to teach programs in the way they see fit without interference from government.

So in a nutshell, propios are well received by Spaniards with the exception of propios from independent unaccredited schools with no university partnership(s) which I think is best for non-Spaniards to stay away from as well. Too many offerings from affiliated schools to bother with an unaffiliated one.

 

As I said, "There's probably a legal wrinkle somewhere that allows this business school to award this." Thanks for showing me - this is the wrinkle, obviously. I appreciate the info.

"Timeo propios et dona ferentes." (I fear propios, even bearing gifts.) Apologies to Virgil (The Aeneid.)

 

Johann mentioned Euroinnova.

I checked out the website and, "EUROINNOVA BUSINESS SCHOOL as an Accredited Business School for the Delivery of Postgraduate Higher Training and Endorsed by the Higher School of Professional Qualifications -Own Title of Epidemiology and Public Health issued by the European University Miguel de Cervantes accredited with 8 University ECTS (University Course of Specialization of the European University Miguel of Cervantes) with 200 hours"

Universidad Europea Miguel de Cervantes (UEMC) is listed in the WHED and recognized by Spain's Ministry of Universities: Search Results – WHED – IAU's World Higher Education Database
It is not recognized as a medical school or listed in World Directory of Medical Schools Search (wdoms.org)

This extra distinction costs $1299 Euros instead of the $749 Euros. I'm guessing because a "Title" is granted. Any thoughts?

 

I think that's HOURS not ECTS. One ECT is roughly half a credit US - 600 ECTS would be a fantastic number for a single degree.
60 ECTS is equivalent to a year of study.

 

I just want to clarify: my post wasn't in reference to Euroinnova, I've never really looked too deeply into them, maybe it's time though. But UEMC is a big deal, so if they're awarding anything you can be sure it's on the up and up. You'll find that many of the education centers in Spain teach medical and general health/mental health programs. They usually carry a clinical component for licensing in Spain, but international students are not required to fulfill that because it's understood that a clinical component and licensing has to be undertaken in the student's country of origin in order to meet that country's standards. The education centers don't tailor their programs to meet any international standards, they only concern themselves with the standards of Spain.

 

My mistake. Mixed that up. 1500 hours = 1-year Master's. 600 hours = Master certificate. Good catch.

 

Yes - I think I'll decline.

(1) I don't want to study this.

(2) If I did want to, for any career-related reasons, I'd probably want to take it at a school that has approval to teach the specific course. This one doesn't - and neither does the partner University. As you discovered, it's not a medical school. For personal knowledge - if you must, but there are less expensive ways. I think for this kind of money, one should get a course that will have recognition. What, if anything, it will be recognized as, here, is a crapshoot.

And speaking of recognition - your Mexican friend has my sympathy. The US system has probably failed to offer an opportunity to yet another good foreign-trained doctor. It happens here, too.

 

An 8 ECTS course is a shorter program that's not meant for any kind of licensing or practice, so I wouldn't worry about the medical school issue in that situation. But I wouldn't spend $1300 for it either.