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True.... I think a lot of them will have similar equivalency guidelines to the ones already used or may refuse to evaluate ENEB period because there is atleast one NACES evaluator, ie. Globe Language Services, that states on their website that they do not evaluate Master Propio degrees at all. However, you are right that there are way more to seek out an evaluation. I believe that finding that NACES evaluator that will give Master Propios full recognition will be like hitting the jackpot though.

 

That's refreshing to hear. In the early "high" of Groupon-induced haze around here, people were sure it was only a matter of time -- very little time, likely --- before finding a source of full RA Master's recognition by some legit outfit. That has not yet happened.

Yes, Carlton - right again. I think the best luck might be with an evaluator in a weed-legal State.

And no - I'm not against propio degrees. I'm against disappointment -- from unrealistic expectations.

 

If anyone is interested, I am getting a lot of emails from a similar school below that has an agreement with Universidad CLEA in Mexico for a propio degree. Even if you get a Bachelor's or graduate equivalent, this is pretty good for the couple of hundred dollars investment. Some people have reported that were able to complete degrees from the school below only with an online translator. I believe CLEA is accredited in Mexico so this can be another option for those looking for cheap online options. I personally like the Master's in Archeology that can make the new Indian Jones:
https://www.masstercursos.com/

 

Good reminder!

By chance, do you remember where you saw the feedback from those had completed the degrees?

 

I don't doubt that. One person reported to me that they finished one of these degrees in 11.5 hours - a course of instruction I think was supposed to be something like 1600 hours. This person says no way should the course be defined as any kind of degree, but they'll take the diploma anyway. I think if you have very basic Spanish and a dictionary - you could get this done easily. If you can read the ad. you're probably good to go. If you can't - fire up Google, but expect to take a bit longer.

Not my bag. For a little less, I can get a "Doctor of the Universe" diploma from Universal Life Church. I could ROCK one of those!

 

There are a few feedback quotes on the site. I read 3-4 of them quickly. They all say it's wonderful, of course. It was like reading Amazon reviews.

 

Oops! Turns out the one I wrote about above was a different school. Spanish - No Mexican schools involved -- all Spanish Universities. There are so many propio-shops ... My apologies.

 

I read them in this board a while ago, you would need to do a search. CLEA and Isabel 1 are online universities with no ranking, they are no degree mills and OK to put in a CV mainly as continuing education. The idea of propio degrees is to be continuing education but they cannot be used to gain entry to a regulated profession or to apply for government jobs with them. As foreign evaluation services become more familiar with this type of degrees, you will find hard to get them credited as degrees in the US but most likely as graduate certificates. If ECE or similar evaluate them like university credits, you can always try to transfer them to Excelsior or similar school and get a degree in the US.

 

Speaking for the USA, a Master Propio degree will likely be accepted by both the state and federal government for employment. I know this because when I went to the federal government job site a few months back, they mentioned that they will accept accredited degrees including those that are pre-accredited. While we technically cannot equate a Master Propio to a pre-accredited degree, NACES FCE evaluations have counted them as accredited with a lower degree than a Masters or in WES case, a non-accredited Masters. They may also accept FCEs outside of NACES. Even then, they accept other forms of professional development and certifications in place of a degree as part of how they will rank a person in pay and position. These Master Propio degrees are a lot more flexible here in the USA for career purposes and are more likely to only be an issue for those who are seeking academic jobs, immigration, and continuing education.

 

"Refreshing" is an interesting way to put that, lol. On the other side of it, there were a lot of people on several sites saying the degrees would never get any U.S. RA equivalence from any U.S. evaluators and that turned out to not be the case. To be fair, ENEB degrees aren't the only foreign degrees that have gotten evaluations deeming them to be below their origin levels, as we know this to have been the outcome with degrees from schools with world's greater recognition than ENEB.

The other part of this is, we only know publicly about outcomes with a few evaluators. There are 20 NACES evaluators and many more of different membership bodies, so as we didn't know how it would turn out with just one at a point in the past, we don't know how more evaluations from other evaluators will turn out. Time will tell. But, each time one is a positive that only helps students so I'll always be for that, even more now in the rough economic times we live in, and because the cost of collegiate education in North America has reached a point where the juice is too often not worth the squeeze anymore.

Considering the price of this and propios in general, to get credit even at the Bachelor's level and then to be able to use it is a huge win for any student looking to save money. And if savings is not the goal, just being able to learn more for so little money is a big win in my book.

 

I'm glad that there are detractors about ENEB that keep people from completing their programs. Why? The market would be over saturated if everyone was attracted to ENEB's programs and they would either get blacklisted or significantly increase their prices 100x or more. Those who have faith and complete an ENEB degree will likely get some type of benefit from it as it is practically free compared to standard tuition at colleges. You can't even earn one credit hour at most online colleges or universities for the price of an ENEB degree.

 

I have a friend from south africa with extensive military leadership (was amajor) and management also in civilian world but no degree who is doing the MBA and a Master's now. Once done he is going to shoot for a RA undergrad equiv to apply for a US based onlines masters (non competive entry but RA) in instructional design (he teaches military stuff for various governments) that aligns with his career, will have employer pay for that and get a hefty raise. Orginally the plan had been UMPI and he started that direction until i saw the RA undregrad equivs and a pivot. For him being expat and South African with his CV and experience, the Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla MBA and Masters and a US based Masters in Instructional Design makes more sense than a US undergrad that was literally only needed to get in a masters program

 

Sounds like a good money-saving plan. If I were going for degrees all over again today, I would be hitting Straighterline, Saylor, and some of their equals, looking into propios, and a number of other things to cut down on cost and time. There are so many avenues available now, a student just has to be willing to make the moves. Unfortunately, back when I went on my journey, these things weren't available. I'm happy to know that things have changed for the people who have the mindset to find and take advantage of them.

 

As much as I have considered doing ENEB Masters programs, I might just pass these degrees over to my partner. It looks like it will be possible for him to enroll in an ENEB Masters program with 100 credit hours that will consist of an Associates degree and some certificates. If he is able to enroll and complete the dual MBA/MA ENEB program, he could potentially get the equivalency from ECE of two Bachelors degrees. As much as we have complained about ECE evaluating their Masters programs as Bachelors degrees, this is actually a goldmine for undergraduate degree completion.

Some are using ECE as a way to transfer in credits to complete a Bachelors. However, the Bachelors equivalency reports by themselves may be enough for the employer and entrance into many graduate schools.

 

Just don't fall off those ladders ---or play cards with an Admissions Officer named "Doc."

 

Otra tienda de cursos propios - Yet another propio shop. (Other courses too.) https://www.euroinnova.edu.es/
I think this was the one I meant, in my earlier remarks. Propio fans - enjoy the ride. Lots here.

 

The Master in Internal Medicine perks my curiosity. I'm not sure of the validity of this Spanish University.

 

Are you sure of the validity of Internal Medicine?