eneb business school

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by rdl1051, Oct 10, 2022.

  1. rdl1051

    rdl1051 New Member

    I am intrigued by their offer on groupon. I have read the previous discussions.

    Just looking for some advice which degree option is the best one:

    Just do one master degree?

    Do the combination of mba and a master degree?

    And any suggestions on how many hours a week you need to study if you want to finish in 24 months?

    Thanks in advance
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't see why. If one isn't enough to impress whoever you want to impress, I doubt a second from the same institution will be.
  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I believe the deal still has it as an MBA and Master's, so might as well go with that. It's two separate degree programs and you're not obligated to finish both, but having access to the content of both can provide some value.

    It's a project-based degree program, so you're writing a lot. It's hard to say how much time it will take. Some people have finished in a few months or less by just pouring all of their spare time into it, and they were good writers, and they had strong business backgrounds. Others have taken a year or more just because they weren't in a hurry, others because they just weren't good with writing papers. But since the program is based on an independent study model, it's entirely up to you and your abilities.

    For the price, I see it as a good enrichment program for people looking to deepen their business knowledge as the programs deal a lot with planning and strategies. It can also be a good prep program for if a student is looking to go into a Master's program with greater recognition but isn't quite ready yet. Others have used it as a way to get super inexpensive credit towards an American degree program, post successful foreign credential evalauation of course.

    I did a little research and found that they offer free seminars regularly with guest business experts, a free course via their deal with Harvard Business Publishing, and free career services if you need them.
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  4. Vicki

    Vicki Well-Known Member

    It will really depend on your personal goals and interests. The benefit to doing two degrees is that it extends the time you have to complete them. There are several overlaps. Just be aware that it is largely self study. The time it will take to complete will depend on how well you can write papers.

    The written materials that I have read so far are VERY boring. The only thing you are graded on are the papers. I signed up out of curiosity mostly. I have watched some of the Master classes that they posted but I haven’t done any of the papers. When I looked over one of them, it directed me to use Spain’s data. I don’t know anything about Spain.

    Others have found the courses to be useful. I highly doubt I will complete anything. I don’t do well with self study.
  5. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Looking at it from a purely educational standpoint, with the programs offering different content, there would be value in getting exposure to it all.

    For whatever reason, double degree programs are a common thing it seems in countries where propio/propio-like systems exist. I don't really understand why, but I'm sure the people in those regions don't understand some American approaches. Heck, I'm an American and I don't understand a lot of American approaches, lol, but that's a whole other discussion...
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  6. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    @rdl1051, I grabbed 3 ENEB for learning purposes. I have a hard time learning concepts and want to get better with my writing, so I grabbed the Groupon deal and added an extra one after. There are a few members on this board and the sister board that have gotten on the deal as well, each person has their personal reasons, be it to learn some different concepts, preview an MBA, retain/review previously taught concepts, or whatever it may be, preparing for grad school. For an extra $50, you can get the MBA & Masters option instead of just the MBA or Masters, I think it's great learning subject areas that interest you in the business arena. My signature has a link to the WIKI.
  7. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    Instead of going through Groupon to enroll at ENEB, find one of the ambassadors on the sister forum and you could enroll at the original discounted price from two years ago which is $149 for a Postgraduate Certificate, $249 for one Masters, or $299 for the dual MBA/MA. I'm still thinking about ENEB myself as it is almost too good to pass up with the recognition it has received from several foreign credential evaluators. The fact that you can use this for upper-level courses at the undergraduate level (ECE) as well as graduate level credit (IEE) has me wanting to recommend it to my partner who is about to finish an Associates degree and may transfer to complete a Bachelors degree.

    Here is one of the member's links that I had bookmarked.
    ENEB Ambasador Code Validation
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  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I only completed a certificate with them but the time required is similar to any other online university course. I was required to complete quizzes and a final project so the effort was fair in my opinion. I would say about 3 to 5 hrs a week if you want to finish the degree in a year.
    ENEB is open to double graduation and encourages to do so.
    You get a university certificate but bear in mind that this is a propio degree, this means that carries merit but it cannot be used in places where an official degree is required such as licensing and university teaching.
    It is a good option if you want to learn something at a low cost and end with a nice diploma that you can be proud to display in your CV.
    There are Spanish schools with similar programs but this one offers English language programs.
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Great find, thanks for sharing.
  10. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

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  11. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    It has been evaluated by atleast three NACES members. WES evaluated it as an non-accredited Masters, ECE evaluated it as an accredited Bachelors, and IEE evaluated it as an accredited Graduate Diploma/Certificate. Other evaluators that are not NACES members such as Validential have given ENEB degrees full recognition as an accredited Masters.

    ENEB will accept you without a college degree if you have several years of professional work experience. Someone on the sister forum has earned a dual Masters/MBA degree with just 60 undergraduate hours and is working towards two additional Masters degrees to use towards completing a Bachelors degree. He is looking into transferring into either TESU or Excelsior and used his ECE evaluation which equated the initial Masters degrees to Bachelors degrees to meet this goal. He may choose another school that is more flexible and inexpensive with transfer credits.
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  12. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    I'm guessing the S.L. "Sociedad Limitada" is much like the Limited Liability Company (LLC)? Roughly translated as the School of European Business of Barcelona, LLC which collaborates with the University of Isabel the First. Any better translations?
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Nothing better here, but yes - an endorsement of your interpretation. From the law firm of Google, Google & Google:

    "What is the Spanish SL? SL stands for Sociedad Limitada. It is a legal form of business in Spain and provides entrepreneurs with a simple and easy-to-start company structure. It is similar to the US limited liability company (LLC) and the German GmbH, but it has some additional requirements to its structure." (Emphasis mine - J.)
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  14. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    In the United States, we don't have an official-unofficial degree model in the way Spain does, so it doesn't matter if the degree is propio here. What all the states require for licensing with foreign degrees is a successful foreign credential evaluation. In other words, the states leave the decision of deeming foreign degrees worthy for acceptance in the hands of the FCEs. The FCEs will certainly consider the aforementioned paradigm, but even then as we've seen, that doesn't always matter with American evaluators as they have deemed programs that are unaccredited in one country as equivalent to regionally accredited in the United States.

    With ENEB, we know of a few evaluators who've evaluated their degrees as equivalent to U.S. RA degrees. However, I don't believe ENEB offers any degrees that would match with any state-licensed professions.
  15. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    Are there any NACES evaluators that evaluated the Master level degrees as RA master equivalent? Cacoleman1983 stated ECE views the ENEB master as a US RA Bachelor equivalent but not at the level of a master.
  16. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    The closest for a NACES evaluation you can get to a US accredited Masters evaluation is from IEE with the Graduate Certificate with 30+ graduate credit hours as this is a rough equivalent without calling it a Masters. NACES evaluators generally don't want to give Master Propio degrees an accredited Masters equivalent because they are not meant to enter a doctorate program in Spain. For all intents and purposes, ENEB Masters degrees are Masters degrees for employment purposes as a vast majority of employers won't care which evaluator you use and in this case, a Validential evaluation would be best if an evaluation is required. For continuing education, choose ECE to transfer to and complete an accredited Bachelors. Use IEE to transfer to an accredited Masters and/or enter a Doctorate degree.
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  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    None from NACES evaluators that I know of but new developments come in from time to time. The reason ECE gave for evaluating it as an RA Bachelor's is because ENEB accepts students with 3-year Bachelor's degrees. I find that reasoning ridiculous because the 3-year Bachelor's degree is common outside North America and exists in Spain especially after the 2015 reform in Spain's educational system that allowed schools to reduce their 4-year Bachelor's degrees to 3-year Bachelor's degrees, so of course ENEB would accept them. Also, this wouldn't even apply to American students since the American Bachelor's degree IS 4-years, so I just find some of the reasoning these evaluators come up with to be bizarre at best.
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  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not sure we have enough information to make statements that begin with that.
  19. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    Maybe not but from what we have seen so far, it is unlikely that any of the NACES members will give a Spanish Master Propio degree full accredited Masters equivalency. It will likely be a long time before we see it. We do know that some evaluators outside of NACES and a few international evaluators in general have given the accredited Masters equivalency for ENEB. I'm still on the fence as to rather or not I will complete an ENEB degree and send it to another evaluator outside the ones we have discussed to help with the data collection from FCEs.
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  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Why? We know what three of its twenty members have said, nothing more.

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