Degree from UMUC: is it appropriate not to mention that it's from UC?

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by notfound123, Jun 5, 2008.

  1. franklyeasy

    franklyeasy New Member

    And that is exactly the issue, we'd like to assume the best of everyone including the farmer, the restaurateur, the mustard maker, the tissue paper seller, and the engineer, and while some folks may have questionable ethics and morals, we've built systems of regulations around these professions and many others that help limit the damage, and often the inclusion, of said individuals lacking character.

    Yet, in this day and age, in this heavily regulated nation of ours, where a child cannot operate a lemonade stand without proper clearance from local authorities, an individual can put on a nice suit, walk into the office of a potential employer and state that they lead several job relevant projects when in fact they may have only worked on them, have extensive experience with a subject matter or skillet when in fact they may only have exposure if that, and that they possess diplomas from exclusive, prestigious educational institutions when in fact they attended an open, online, check-a-box-get-a-B diploma mill with a familiar sounding name.

    We have the capability to EASILY certify, standardize and regulate what gets put on a resume, or said in an an interview. In fact, there are contract laws that do in fact regulate and punish flat out lies on resumes and in interviews, but with resume embellishment and exaggeration it gets very hazy because the employer would have to prove and quantify the damage from hiring someone with a 2.78 GPA vs a 3.0 or a degree from Purdue University vs Purdue online.

    Sure some of these unethical folks get caught, but that's only 3/10, and I say this as someone with a strong HR background. The other 7/10 times, we're competing against these people for jobs, for appointments, for a living, for a future. What's our collective American future going to look like if we keep allowing stupid, lazy lairs loopholes to high level employment?
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps. The distinctions between professional and scholarly doctorates are clear, but they are often blurred in practice. The EdD is right in the middle of this. Sometimes, it is awarded as a professional degree. In other times, it is merely a PhD by another name. If a school otherwise wants to hire you into a position that requires a doctorate, the degree won't be an impediment, no matter what broad distinctions we make.
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I contend this does not exist. Do you have an example?
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is a huge assertion. Do you have anything to back this up?
  5. not4profit

    not4profit Active Member


    I think we promote it with out selection process. I had to learn how to squeeze every drop of qualification out of all my experiences to do well on job apps. I also had to learn how to brag about my awesomeness. We reward that. The person who makes themselves appear the best wins. I also have worked with several people who never stop interviewing so I get to keep hearing about how great they are even at lunch. So who gets hired and promoted? The people who are most comfortable bragging and exaggerating their experiences. It becomes almost like doping in sports. All the top athletes are perceived to be doing it so people don't feel bad taking steroids. Same with resume exaggerations.
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  6. franklyeasy

    franklyeasy New Member

    As someone who has perused admission requirements for such institutions, as well as having taught some classes there, I am telling you myself, as a first hand source, this does exist. Rich, might I ask what assertion are you making to support your contention that such lenient institutions, as summarized by me, do not exist?

    Regardless, something that comes to my mind immediately to help make my point is for you to check out the admission requirements for Purdue University Global, formally the for-profit Kaplan University. Now, compare this to the undergrad admission requirements for Purdue University. One requires a specific number of classes and semesters for them along with SAT/ACT/Int.Eqv. scores along with, what I assume to be, pretty good secondary school grades. Purdue University Global, just requires that you graduate high school or have earned a GED. And, even if you're not accepted into PUG initially, you can enroll for a semester as a non-degree seeking, push out some Bs and get in that way.


    Yes I do, his name was Alex.Mcollum, he was here a short while ago. Cocky, arrogant, and likely a sufferer of the Dunning effect, there is virtually nothing stopping /that/ individual and many, many others like him that I've met and had to misfortune to interview (and sometimes, thankfully, terminate) from landing cushy management jobs. Yes they are caught sometimes, often in a very public manner, especially the idiotic embezzlers. However, I am asserting, quite confidently from my own professional, public, private and non-profit experience that for every one pointy-haired fraud that is pinched, another seven get away to lead long, disaster prone decision-making careers.

    Performance documenting transcripts exist in schools, military and police academies, in many foreign career markets, South Korea, India and China do this often, even in prisons why can't we do this. We have to come up with something AND stick with it or get used to the idea of Alex being our bosses.
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  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Your point was about graduation requirements, and you shift it here to make it about admissions requirements.

    There are many obvious reasons why there's a market for schools with minimal admissions requirements, and handing out free degrees like candy at Halloween isn't one of them. In fact, the opposite is what is more often true. The graduation rates for such schools are often lower due to the very same external pressures that attract students to their programs to begin with.
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  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It doesn't work that way. It was your assertion. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You offer none. Your personal experience cannot be used since you're posting anonymously and your experiences cannot be verified. Plus, they're anecdotes, not evidence.

    This is a mere discussion board, and opinions are its stock-in-trade, so I don't want to sound like every opinion must be supported empirically. But when you assert facts as you have, you really should be able to back them up.

    Finally, you changed your assertion from the educative process to the admissions process. Other posters don't have to chase you around.


    I disagree with you. That ought to do it.
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    UMGC was an offshoot of University of Maryland, College Park when it was founded in 1947 but it's been an entirely distinct institution since 1970. Other similarly named but entirely separate institutions are University of Maryland, Baltimore County, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, and University of Maryland, Baltimore.

    I might agree their naming convention needs a little work, but the situation is not what you describe.
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