Course Requirements of K-WU

Re: A Draw from WY

RJT, what gives you the impression that K-W is attempting to reestablish the ability to enroll CA students? This sounds like a very interesting bit of news. Please name the source.

You forgot to mention a few of the negatives like not publishing the graduation requirements.

What does this mean? Are you proposing that people no longer tell the truth about K-W? Are you stating that you have given up your destructive campaign to sell unaccredited schools in general and K-W in particular? Are you trying to negotiate with the whole world to begrudge your diploma a smidgen of respect?

I really don't know what this means but I'm guessing that you don't have a good logical explanation either.

 

Re: John's All Right

But you didn't take it, so why cite it?

 

Re: John's All Right

If someone was trying to lie UoP was 100% legal or that UoP was fully legal then, I probably would point out the truth. If we are discussing K-W and a lie is told that K-W is 100% legal or that K-W is fully legal then I don't see how it can be claimed unfair to address that issue?

Did these other admissions folk try to mislead you about how life credits were being applied against unpublished graduation requirements? This is a serious question, do they publish the graduation requirements so that everyone (students, candidates, employers, etc.) can judge those requirements compared to the accepted standard? So that everyone can know that it is the same for all students? So that it lets you know that the school is at least pretending to be honest and above board?

RJT, what do you believe is the reason that K-W doesn't publish their graduation requirements?

 

Hmmm

Finally, prior to exploring K-W, I applied to AIU, and UoP, and I found their admissions folks to be just as assertive.

I applied to AIU and now a student at AIU.
Funny, I do not recall having a deadline to apply or
face a upcharge!

Funny, my employer will reimburse AIU and not Kennedy.

Funny, I can drive to many campus grounds of AIU and talk with faculity and staff. But drive to a maildrop for Kennedy in Wyoming or California or Idaho or Bora Bora depending where they are this week.

Funny my degree from AIU will be valid nationwide at other institutions for my MBA but neither a AA, AABA, BA, BSBA etc.
from Kennedy is not.

OK Im out of funny now.

 

Re: A Draw from WY

RJT,

You keep saying that K-W is "State Liscenced", but I don't seem to find the meaning ot the word "liscenced" in my dictionary.

 

That's the trouble with you people at RA and GAAP universities -- you don't appreciate creativity! Personally, I like "liscenced" -- reminds me of "lascivious."

 

Kennedy-Western University: lasciviously Liscenced Licenciaturas for life learning!

 

Veteran101 reports K-Dubya-U saying, "Well, John Bear used to promote our school! Now, that he is in with the professors associations and
unions he touts other schools..."

It is true that there was a time when I did not single them out for scorn and derision, back when they were a California-authorized school, and I was providing an annotated list of unaccredited schools that might be considered by someone who was confident that an unaccredited degree would meet their present and predictable future needs.

Now, I could not, in good conscience, even suggest, to people in that category, a school that has had so much bad press (including in prestigious places like the Chronicle of Higher Education); that makes an alumus liable for fine and imprisonment in some US states, that is freely called a degree mill on a major forum (albeit not by me), yadda...

I have only been screamed at three times on the telephone. I mean, all out, 100 decibel, out-of-control (it seemed to me) screaming. In each case, as best I can recall, it was when I questioned the credentials of the head of a school: Dr. Felker of Eastern U, Dr. Munzert of Hawthorne U, and Dr. Saltmann of K-Dubya-U.

I wish I had the files formerly known as mine.* Do we know where Dr. Saltmann earned his doctorate? My memory says that it may have been the pride of Gas City, Indiana Northern University, but I don't know. Surely Ms. T, or others involved would know (or could easily find out). I'd be interested.

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* When Pearson bought ownership of my degree books, that included all the files, which they moved to their offices in the World Trade Center. When Ten Speed bought things from Pearson, some of the files came back, but I haven't been through them. The rest, presumably, are in a Long Island land fill.

 

Re: Seriously

K-W On-line exams are *un-proctored*. You are as usual, attempting to mask the truth of K-W's mill-like practices. From the K-W OLT Page:

“Online Testing is an exciting new way to take course exams while earning your degree at the university. You no longer have to wait for an exam to come in the mail, you don't need to use a proctor to administer your exam, and you don't have to wait for the results of your test.”

 

Re: Re: Seriously

The use of online testing through a secure server (such as WebCT) is becoming prevalent at RA schools also. A course I am taking through Colorado State in the Industrial Engineering prgram (ME513 - Introduction to Simulation) makes use of non-proctored on-line testing. It is through a secure server.

Even open book, multiply choice tests are used for some very high level examinations (try a professional engineer exam). These also have normally under a hundred questions for a four hour period (BUT THEY ARE NOT EASY!!).

The point of this- the method of testing and the type of exam should not be used as an indication of the quality of the education.

That said, there are several indicators that led me to question the usefullness of a K-W degree the main one being that I live in California and can not enroll.

 

Re: Re: Re: Seriously

A highly motivated customer could open a mailbox in another state and correspond through it.

 

Thanks for the very interesting tidbits of information.

Alot of public relations nightmares have occurred since K-W was a California-authorized school. IMHO, it just demonstrates the dangers of going with an unaccredited school that is not on an obvious accreditation track. A few years ago K-W was only in the sneer category. Now they are well within the scorn and derision category.

For example, University of Phoenix (a fine RA school) was apparently so embarassed by their one move of location that they threatened to sue simply because the history of the move was told. K-W has moved T*H*R*E*E times and the reason that they moved was for all the wrong reasons, unlike UoP.

 

Re: Re: Re: Seriously

Online testing is OK by me Mike. What RJT claimed is that K-W OLTs are rigorous and proctored. This is yet another feeble attempt by the aforementioned to give some sense of legitimacy to his/her dubious Alma Mater.

K-W OTLs are not proctored as per my cut-n-paste from their web. RJT has been caught in yet another untruth.

Cheers...Randy

 

Time to bash again??

Oracle Guy:

What I stated aas that K-W's tests are either proctored, or on-line. With the online feature the test is timed with an automatic default of whatever timeframe is compulated for the test, in this way one would not have three hours to complete the exam, when the test allows only two. How this makes K-W anything less than schools with similar on-line options is beyond me. Do you mean to say that all RA schools, as an example, on-line exams are concurrently on-line proctored?

Not sure why you are so determined to bash.

RJT

 

Re: Time to bash again??

Ah, but there is no bashing going on. You give a half-truth why K-W is so great. We respond with why your reasoning is completely flawed, then you respond with another half-truth. Eventually you end up recycling the original half truth when it has already been clearly spelled out why it is NOT true.

In this case you point out some RA school somewhere may have an unproctured online exam. You are correct, but what you gloss over is that a K-W student can take ALL their tests online and unproctured. I venture to say there is no RA BA degree ANYWHERE with all unproctored tests. In fact any unproctored RA test is rare. So, again you are using a half-truth to support a substandard K-W practice.

You can use all the logical fallacies you want, but K-W is still spelled D-E-G-R-E-E M-I-L-L.

 

Re: Time to bash again??

RJT, I'm not sure why you are so determined to push unaccredited schools in general and K-W in particular.

There are a few things that don't seem to add up regarding your "cover story".

You apparently claim to be the director of recruiting for two business units of Unisys. Yet, you seemed convinced that a company could not discard job applicants based on the school that they graduated from without possibly violating fair hiring practices. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that anyone that has been promoted within human resources could make such a ridiculous statement.

Another thing that doesn't add up is that anyone that demonstrates such poor literacy could actually be in the position that you claim to be.

Another thing that doesn't seem to add up is that on this forum you don't seem interested in really learning, debating, or even discussing anything. It just seems that you want to give your "sales pitch" and to then come back and to repeat the exact same sales pitch over and over. (Although I do note that you cleaned up your federal government conferring degree granting authority to the states fabrication when you posted it over on the K-W forum.)

Roberta, what's the deal? You sure appear to be a troll or a shill. At the very least, I believe that your on-line persona is significantly fabricated.

 

Re: Time to bash again??

OK,

So let's say that K-W exams are very difficult as you say. Why someone should go for an expensive, unaccredited, and difficult degree? Can you mention at least one advantage?

 

Re: Time to bash again??

No you did not and that's the point-- not a bash. You wrote:

"Perhaps you are very smart. In the Management Program, for instance, the Business Communications, the tests were on-line (not-unproctored), 80 Questions w/ a 2 Hour Window "

cut-n-pasted, RJT


If you keep lobbing me untruths about the rigor of K-W exams, then I'll keep belting them outta the park.

Also, could you post the course # for which your 80 question exam (not-unproctored) was issued. I'd like to validate that claim as well.

Thanks....Randy