Course Requirements of K-WU

. They should be extremely careful about which form of education will best suit their lifestyles and their future goals. K-W is NOT the answer for many, many people. Everything I said pertained only to MY experience and is completely true. I have told no lies.
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Bella has a point. K-W is mainly for those that need a sense of achievement . What I don't agree is when she says "let them do their homework", that means that if the HR person is not professional enough to check the source of the degree then you will pass your master's a legitimate one because of luck.

This happens quite often in the work place, I know of one guy that has been working for years with a bachelors degree from "Vancouver University", another degree mill with the same concept as K-W. He jumped from one company to another without problems till one decided to check his degree, he was let go after the latest employer found out that the university is a scam. So eventually, some one will do his homework.

The mentality of the degree mill seeker is that why to spend time and effort in a legitimate degree if "Bella", "RJT" and many others got away with it. Some would be willing to take the risk since the outcome looks very attractive.

 

K-W, K-Y--it's all slime in the end...

 

It would be interesting to hear what someone from Kennedy-Western has to say, instead of the shills. But I'm sure they benefit greatly from this kind of discourse, unabated by actual academic activity. While many of us are appalled by K-WU, I'm sure many others are salivating at the opportunity to buy what appears to some to be a real degree. And isn't that their target market?

Bear stopped publishing addresses of degree mills because he became convinced it only served to assist those seeking to buy phoney degrees. K-WU, if they even know about this obscure board, I'm sure is very pleased with the noteriety. Good or bad, everything said about them serves to notify and attract the very customers they seek.

 

A question of Models

For some schools the pedagogical model is the educational method of choice. For some schools the andragogical is the method of choice. Sometimes there is a shift from one model to the other depending upon course material and student's background. Regardless of model selection, real education can happen.

Just some grist for the mill.

Dick

 

Re: A question of Models

That's very true.

Yet at the same time, if there is a measurable outcome to be had, e.g.; some type of credential, then some form of standard must be used or the outcome is spurious. As a K-W student, I have gained real education, as I also did from reading this month’s copy of Guns and Ammo. (a light-hearted poke at “iron lung Bill”). However, to claim that I’m a University Graduate or a Gunsmith as a result of that experience is spurious when held against the backdrop of impartial standards.

Agreed?

 

I would like to point out that organised crime also has a successful numbr of practioners.

 

Being an engineer I've had to learn to accept that I'm too often incorrect. It is still very kind of you to not force me to face up to additional miscalculations.

 

I agree that's probably the strongest argument that K-W can use.

But there are also countless successful individuals without degrees at all. So by the same logic, their existence would be evidence of the quality education that one can receive by not attending university.

One one hand, I have no argument with that. We all know that many self-educated people have fabulous educations.

But on the other hand, I would not recommend avoiding formal education as a viable educational alternative. Dropouts normally have inferior educations.

To restate my point: K-W's history of avoiding both accreditation and state regulation makes skepticism very prudent. If K-W wants to improve how they are perceived, they need to provide some persuasive evidence in their own behalf. The burden of proof is on them. There is no obligation on us to accept all universities and degrees that are waved in our faces, particularly when there is good reason to suggest that we shouldn't.

Some universities which are not accredited have found alternative ways to demonstrate their academic credibility. Since K-W apparently grants large numbers of Ph.D.s (perhaps more of them than the U. of Wyoming), where is all this research hidden? Where are the publications and the presentations that one would associate with such a concerted scholarly effort?

Some (certainly not all) of the California approved schools show feeble signs of intellectual life. So what's happening at K-W? Besides allowing lots of people to write "Ph.D." after their names?

 

A degree program serves two purposes: to educate and to credential. Even if one stipulates that K-WU students receive a terrific education, it does not change one iota the utter worthlessness of the degree (except when used to fool people).

Of course, I would NOT stipulate the first point. I just consider it irrelevant to the second.

 

I had an experience with Kennedy Western. I found kennedy western on the internet. I browsed their website which is really slick by the way. I wanted to get my degree finished fast and I didnt make the effort to understand the difference between state-license and regionally acredited. I sent a request for more information and received their "catalog". Again their marketing department is very good. Soon afterward I talked to an "admissions officer" who walked me through the steps I needed to take to become a student at KW. RJT is correct. She was very upfront about KW being state licensed and not regionally acredited and if I was interested in pursuing a master's degree KW might not be for me. I submitted my transcripts and listed my past employment for evaluation for "work experience". In a week or so I received a call back congratulating me on being accepted and was told I only needed 6 classes to complete my degree. I was also offered an opportunity to save money if I paid for the whole thing upfront. Which I did to the tune of several thousand dollars. I was all set to begin my class work when I saw postings about KW on this site as well as on the Pub. It was at this time I realized I had made a huge mistake! I quickly withdrew from KW and asked for a full refund. I will have to say in their defense I did get all of my money back. I am not a defender of KW by any means. However sometimes people hear what they want to hear and look for an easy and quick way to get a degree w/o doing any research on what they are getting themselves into.
I am just thankful I came to my senses before I had spent two or three years getting a degree that would always make me wonder whether it was worth the paper it was printed on. Thankfully I am now enrolled in an RA DL program from a school that is 20 minutes from my home. Again I don't defend KW but those students who feel like they were scammed should bare some of the blame as well.

 

At last...the naked truth.

 

Haven't we read more than one post about someone who enrolled--or contemplated enrollment in--K-WU, only to withdraw after reading things about K-WU on this board? Enrique, eres tu?

 

A Draw from WY

The constant banter bashing...Is'nt it enough to suffice it that:

GENERAL FACTS:
Kennedy-Western is a legal, State Liscenced School, which they are upfornt about (no bogus accreditation).
They require difficult-moderate course work.
All tests are proctored, or on-line.
The amount of courses varies from 5-9 courses, plus a student research project from 75-150 pages (Degree dependant).
They have a large student population.
They will refund monies, if a student withdraws within the requirements the state of WY has set.
They have corporate offices in WY, and administrative offices in CA.

ACKNOWLEDGED:

Kennedy Western is NOT RA, to some this means they are inferrior.
The coursework, may or may not be as difficult as other schools.
The number of courses may be lesser than traditional schools.
Some schools may have less a student population (is this really cause for bashing).
Perhaps the CA schools have a better refund policy.
Yes, they have moved, but they have been stabilized in their present localities. They are attempting to reestablish themselves with CA, to reenroll students there.

Is this a perfect model, no, but who said life is. K-W was upfront with me, and I felt the work was challanging. Therefore, I am satisfied.

Lets call it a draw,

RJT

 

Re: A Draw from WY

As Steve would say LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!

K-W always has been and always will be a DEGREE MILL. That is why it is out and out illegal in 2 states and is legally prevented from enrolling students in the state it has HQ in. If you are satisfied with such fine, but don't pretend it is anything else.

 

Re: Re: A Draw from WY

Ditto! Un-frik'ing believable.

I did however complete my last K-W exam tonite. I wasn't even going to bother, but it was available online so what the heck. Forgot I even had it on my file. I had changed this course from K-W's Java programming offering that I had originally requested. Wanna know why? The course text went out of print! What a joke.

Results:

Unix System Administration: 49 questions, multiple choice, open book, time limit 2 hrs.
Scored 83%! Time to complete 40 min while sipping a very decent Merlot and chatting with my wife. Oh BTW, I didn’t even have the book; what a total farce!

OTFL...Randy

 

Seriously

Oracle Guy:

Perhaps you are very smart. In the Management Program, for instance, the Business Communications, the tests were on-line (not-unproctored), 80 Questions w/ a 2 Hour Window. Also, I failed one test, and I studied. Upon the retake I got a 92%. You've read the pub, look how many students are challanged by the exams, and you also know that a vast majority are already occupationally successful. How could so many be challanged by the tests, and you just always breeze thru with your eyes closed? Come on. Perhaps it was the instructor, and if so, report it to your advisor. Please dont sell K-W, or the it's student body short.

I do though seriously wish you the best of luck. Just for completion sake, finish the report, and obtain the degree, you can always state that it is a state liscened school, and you are also earning an Accredited Degree to boot. I'd certainly respect that.

Know that I am not a K-W shill, or troll, as the matter of fact I am just starting my MS in HRM at a CA Approved School (they allowed me to start, provided I can demonstrate evidence of graduation in Feb.) However, I do not regret my decision to attend K-W.

Regards,

RJT

 

Dr. Bear

OK here is some scoop.
I had a telephone interview with Kennedy Car Sales.
Woops. Kennedy Western in March.
During the 1.5 hour phone interview I reviewed my
life, career and education.
And guess what? I only needed 5 courses to finish a
BSBA.

While looking through this discussion board about a week earlier I informed KW that I noticed www.degree.net was not to kind at all to KW.

The response I received was.
Well, John Bear used to promote our school!
Now, that he is in with the professors associations and
unions he touts other schools. yadda yadda yadda.

Thought you might find that interesting.

Anyway, having a good nerve racking time
at American Intercontinental University

Oh yeah. AIU is RA. Funny, my company refused reimbursement to KW. Hmmmm.

Enjoy

 

Re: Dr. Bear

This sure sounds a lot like the libel that was being spread over on a.e.d. except there isn't even a sliver of truth in this K-W line. The core of K-W is these slim bags that are running the sales/administration office.

 

Re: A Draw from WY

 

John's All Right

I like and respect John Bear, don't agree with him on the issue of K-W, having gone thru the program I have a different opinion. However, John is intellegent and for the most part, passes legit info. Heck, I sought out his advice when I was considering CA Approved options.

Bill, I respect you too

PS - It has been pointed out that dispite the fact thet K-W is legitamately state liscenced, out of WY, and meets the requirements established by the WY Board of Education, the school is illegal in OR. Well, outside of two exceptions, almost every unaccredited school has been deemed illegal in OR, including accepted schools such as CCU, CPU, SCUPS, almost all the CA Approved Schools. So if you point out that K-W is illegal, fairly point out that all these schools are also classified similarly. Finally, prior to exploring K-W, I applied to AIU, and UoP, and I found their admissions folks to be just as assertive.

RJT