"Canterbury University" of Hyde, Cheshire, England.

deleted - Johann

 

From the article cited by Daniel:

"... Canterbury University. These universities are legal entities incorporated in the Seychelles, empowered to confer degrees via their articles of incorporation."

That puts a very slightly different spin on it.. I was talking about Canterbury (Hyde Cheshire). I imagine when it became illegal to issue British degrees, they incorporated in the Seychelles, where there was no provision to stop them awarding degrees. Quite a few degree mills have made their corporate home in the Seychelles for this reason. There are many other "mill-friendly" locations around the globe. Want a list?

Yes, it is legal for them to issue meaningless degrees in the Seychelles. It may be legal to buy one elsewhere. But a pretty stupid waste of money as I see it. To actually use it, for any purpose whatsoever? Meta-stupidity if you want my opinion - and I fully realize you don't. And what would your Law Society / Professional Body think of one of its members flaunting a milled degree -- however "legally" issued from some remote island. Is that ethically acceptable conduct? :sad:

 

OOPS - too late. (10-min. limit) Daniel, I apologize for my question about Law Society etc. Finally twigged to the fact you're not contemplating use of such a degree personally. Again -- I'm sorry!

J

 

Don't worry Johann

I just wrote a long answer where I explained some arguments, but I was logged out by the site and my answer was lost.
No time to write again, in Italy is time for dinner, will do it tomorrow.
Thank you and have a nice day Johann

 

I gave you one. The ramifications are the same for calling yourself 'doctor' whether or not you purchase a fake degree from a fake school. Exactly, 100% the same.

Lots of people have gotten into trouble for using titles and degrees issued by schools operating legally. It isn't a shield.

Finally, since you directed a comment at me, let me respond: I'll post whatever I want to post, regardless of what you want or request. You can always choose to ignore it. In fact, I invite you to do just that.

Good luck with your choices.

 

Here's a couple more unsolicited opinions. First, I think it's hilarious that a lawyer would come to DegreeInfo to ask questions about what is "legal." (Of course, it's not for me, it's for my "friend.") Second, If I discovered that someone I knew had purchased such a degree so that they could refer to themselves as "Doctor" then my opinion of them would sink precipitously. This is regardless of whether it's legal or not. It screams insecurity and is very uncool.

 

That's just what I wanted to know.
But now you explained the question in a right way.

Yeah, and remember that posting an answer who is not satisfying the one whio did it, you are exposed to criticism.
You are free, me too.
And it's not so neither kind nor appropriate to asnwer "they are onions" if someone ask you "what time is it".
But everyone do what his skills allow.
If someone has no intelligent answer to gice, silence is the best choice.

I did my chioche 30 years ago when i fished High School and went to Law School.

Best regards guy.

 

Of course it is this way.
Anyone who doesn't know how laws work in different countries cannot understand certain questions.
And there are a lot of hilarious things: one of these is making conjectures with no basis.

Surely, also if opinions count very little.
Laws count.
And in Italy if someone hold a legal degree, regardless form the education quality provided, can refer himself as a Doctor, also if he obviously cannot practise as a professional.
That's all guy.
I know you are smart and superior than normal people, but this don't allow you to be unkind and show too condescencion.
Even it passed through your mind that the case I posted could be a real case somewhere.
I only asked if some fake universities could have legal authority to isseue degrees, not too difficult to understand I think, isn't it ??
Then you built a lot of suppositions and castles in the sky.
Not so smart and nice to me I think.

Well, If I have some other legal question I'll ask someone more nice than you.
Please pay attention not to fall down from your pedestal.
Take a breathe, life is good for everyone.
And take care on yourself.

 

Imagine that. It took me more than 10,000 posts over a decade-and-a-half, plus a PhD specializing in this field, to get it right. And you did it in only 25 posts.

I bow to your obvious superiority and congratulate you on your blazing success.

 

I always get a kick out of the "can I call myself 'Doctor'" question.

I don't think people readily understand how titles work.

Want someone to call you "Doctor?" It's easy. Next time you make a donation to a charity circle the little "Dr." in front of where you write your name. Now that charity will refer to you as "Doctor" several times a year. And, when they sell their mailing list, other charities will soon refer to you as "Doctor" as well. They will probably even send you some free stamps or the occasional nickel. In fact, at least one will likely send you some fancy address labels with puppies and kittens and then you'll have a sheet of stickers listing you as "Doctor" as well.

You don't even need to buy a degree to have this sort of endless fun. You can do it for free.

You might even be able to get a government agency to address you as "Doctor" in written correspondence. Why not go for it?

My former next door neighbor is a podiatrist. He has a DPM from an accredited institution and is licensed to practice in the state of New York. You know what I call him? Chris. I would dare say that he is only called "Doctor" at his office, the hospital and at conferences.

But outside of the medical and academic worlds it is fairly uncommon to refer to a co-worker, supervisor or subordinate as "Doctor" even if they have a fully legitimate doctorate. As stated in earlier posts, I have a colleague at work who has a PhD from MIT. Never once have I seen him referred to as "Doctor" at work.

So if calling yourself "Doctor" is all you want to do then have at it. I used to have a credit card where the bank printed a title for you right on the card. I hated having a card that said "Mr." so I eventually changed it to "Rev." just for fun. They didn't want a certificate. They didn't need proof. They just gave me my little letters. You too can have this sort of fun! And you can save yourself hundreds or even thousands of dollars in the process.

If you want to be received in academic or certain professional circles as a "doctor" then you are probably going to find yourself disappointed with degrees from "schools" like this. But hey, call yourself whatever you like.

 

When the Canadian humorist and poet Stephen Leacock earned his PhD (economics, I believe), he revelled (for a while) in calling himself "Doctor" in public. He wrote about being on a Great Lakes boat trip when a very attractive woman fainted. The call went out, on the tannoy, "Is there a doctor on board." He rushed to the captain's cabin, but too late -- he was preceded by two doctors of divinity and a doctor of humane letters.

 

WE were talking about a school in the Seychelles. That school put me in mind of places like Wallis and Futuna Is., Ascension Is. etc. where many "legal" mills are domiciled. Others have been spotted on less-remote islands like Dominica where mill-owners claim they are legal (who knows?) and BVI, where there seems to be no regulation of them. To the best of my recollection, this thread was started on the bogus Canterbury and I don't recall any mention of a US school in the thread. I might note that it's getting just a teeny bit harder to operate a mill in the US. Quite a few states that were home to really bad schools have now stepped up to the plate, e.g. Wyoming, Alabama. I will certainly grant that they're far from all gone. So far, two schools with American addresses have been featured in Axact-related stories. Mais revenons à nos moutons - this thread was about a mill that migrated from the UK to the Seychelles.

I say most (not all) things for a reason Steve, but sometimes it takes a while to get inside my evil mind, I guess. :smile:

J

 

Good one, Dr. Bear! Nice to hear the word "tannoy" again. It's been so long, I looked at it in a new light and found it contains the word "annoy," - but I don't think that's significant. :smile: From my hi-fi tinkering in the early 60s I remember Tannoy as one of the respected, high-end British speaker manufacturers -along with Ditton (Celestion), Bowers & Wilkins - names to conjure with! It was only later that I twigged to the generic use of the word. Pleasant memories. Thanks! :smile:

J.

 

Wow! from the Tannoy wiki:

"although the word is a registered trademark, it has become a genericised trademark. The company's intellectual property department keeps a close eye on the media and will often write to publications that use its trade name without a capital letter or as a generic term for PA systems, in order to preserve its trademark."

So sensitive! I'd have thought becoming a household word would add to their well-deserved prestige, rather than detract from it. Guess not. Hope we don't get a "threat of the week." :sad: In the unlikely event that I market a device that becomes a household word, you may all refer to it as "the johann," without a capital. That would please me greatly - even though the English equivalent - "the john" - is already taken. :smile:

J.

 

Any particular reason you called out Dominica among many Caribbean nations?

 

Meh, sounds a bit too expensive. I think it's cheaper to go for a Florida religious exemption (you can use the money you saved to buy a mail drop some place nice).

I think we could make a small mint if we start issuing the "Master Doctor of Divinity." Anyone could be a lowly Doctor of Divinity but only the select few (who have a credit card) can rise to the level of Master Doctor of Divinity.

If that works we'll introduce grades and titles of nobility.

 

Tannoy

Johann: ""although the word is a registered trademark, it has become a genericised trademark. The company's intellectual property department keeps a close eye on the media and will often write to publications that use its trade name without a capital letter or as a generic term for PA systems, in order to preserve its trademark."

John: Oh, dear. Of course, I meant to say, "Tannoy."

 

I have had a similar plan. I jokingly refer to it as my "retirement plan." Buddhism is a bit slippery in that it is variously divided into X number of sections. Some say there are three (Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana) Some would add Zen or Pure Land, in the end it really doesn't matter. I will create a university, let's call it Bodhi University, and we will award certificates or degrees based on the student's level of enlightenment. These levels (some would say there are ten) all have titles and criteria for attainment. Bodhi University will assess the student's level of attainment based upon an essay on an assigned topic. Certificates (suitable for framing) will be awarded and the student is then entitled to utilize the appropriate honorific.
Jisha Kizmet