Cal Coast

CCHS News, Volume 25, Issue 3, states, in part, "...Advance your career and move up the career ladder by completing your Bachelor's, Master's, or, soon, a Doctoral Degree..."

 

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shame, shame

Ya' all should come over and carefully read the recent Bethany threads to see how us holy Joes conduct our discussions without such petty bickering

 

The mark of true gentlemen and scholars!

 

I guess you missed this part under FAQ:

"DETC accreditation is an institution-wide source of nationally recognized accreditation that covers all distance study courses offered by an institution."

 

I would be curious to know if DETC is aware of this claim. Since they only accredit first professional doctorates, it's an interesting claim to make.



Tom Nixon

 

Very interesting... A Harrington grad (two degrees) and an adjunct at NYU. Is there a time bomb in the making?

John

 

Oh, yes.

I think it's just a matter of time before someone here lights the fuse.

 

People here sure seem to find delight in seeing someone get into trouble or lose their job. Many here have said that CCU is one of the better state approved schools, and have lauded their programs.

While we are waiting for someone to light the fuse let's see if we can split this hair of *candidate*, spoken by an alumni, into a few more strands.

 

The time bomb refers to Harrington U. and not Cal Coast. A big difference.

John

 

The doctoral degree that you're currently pursuing will not be accredited by DETC (assuming that CCU is accredited by DETC). CCU is discontinuing the degree program that you're a candidate in because DETC does not accredit that type of program. Your alma mater (assuming that the degree is eventually bestowed) will be accredited but your degree will not be. This is also the case even if DETC accreditation is bestowed before your degree. If you don't believe me then I suggest that you simply ask CCU.

 

Or DETC. I'm on the phone with Susan Riley of DETC right now. She says the doctoral degrees CCU awards will be outside DETC's accreditation. DETC expects CCU to honor their commitments to existing students, allowing them to finish their degrees, but doctoral degrees awarded will be considered unaccredited.

Susan says they've gotten a lot of contact from CCU students trying to drive their doctorates through this loophole. But DETC's stance is that those degrees--CCU's doctorates--come from an unaccredited program, even if they are awarded after (if) DETC accredits CCU. So the school will be accredited, but not its doctoral programs.

Will this matter? I suspect for employment purposes, often no. But for academic purposes, certainly yes. And the difference is between the levels of awareness. Employers, if they check at all, will see a degree from a DETC-accredited school. They probably won't check to see that the doctorate in question isn't from an accredited program. If one chooses to wade through that ethical dilemma, fine. Enjoy.

So there.

 

I would hope such a statement referred to some sort of first professional doctorate within the current scope of DETC's accreditation. Otherwise, this kind of forward-looking statement would most certainly be discouraged by DETC.

Perhaps a doctorate in respiratory therapy?

 

Tomato tomawto.

I have 5 years to complete the program and fully intend on taking 5 years.

5 years is a long time in distance education. I may have little company, but I suspect CCU will be offering accredited doctorates within 5 years. Too many hints of doctorates coming to DETC to totally ignore.

All some school has to do is apply to start the ball rolling and things could fall into place. Or they may not.

 

Ah, so now it's semantics? But it isn't. DETC is very clear about that. I'll have to accept them as the more credible source.

Perhaps. But that wasn't the point, was it? You made it very clear that you were earning a doctorate from an accredited school, given that DETC will accredited CCU. DETC says you're wrong. That makes you oh-for-two regarding a school to whom you pay tuition. I suggest getting your facts straight.

 

Hi Rich, and Tom - Even if they intend to offer a first professional degree program, they shouldn't be making any kind of announcement about it as that is against the rules. It is not an egregious violation, and if challenged, it is one that is easily corrected. More often than not it is something that slips through the marketing group without notification to the academic or compliance group, rather than a deliberate attempt to circumvent the rules.

Best,
Mary

 

The DETC plays their games, I play mine. I certainly was aware of DETC's position in regard to doctorates. I just don't believe the contradictions.

I think I will have a chat with myself.


Me: Was your DBA earned at an accredited school?

Myself: Why yes, most certainly sir. Check the DETC website yourself. You are looking especially good this morning.



Me: You seem like such an intelligent good looking guy with a nicely proportioned beer belly. Is your DBA accredited?

Myself: The DETC does not accredit degrees . It accredits all programs offered by a school. Just check the DETC website.


I just can't believe how totally honest and ethical I am. Think I will run for public office.

 

This reveals much--about the poster.

What it fails to disclose is that the doctorate in question comes from an unaccredited program. That's U-N-A-C-C-R-E-D-I-T-E-D. DETC might accredit CCU. But CCU's doctoral programs will remain unaccredited. This is a distinction necessary to allow CCU to meet its obligations to enrolled students. But it is mill-style-speak to twist it as to infer one has a degree from an accredited source. One does not.

 

Just entertaining the tight asses. You are having fun Rich? Aren't you?

 

Funny how no one picked this error up.....

This whole thread is about, and is treated here, as SOUR GRAPES for all of the CCU naysayers.... You all are just pissed that there is a good chance that it will recieve accredidation.

There, I said it.


Veritas,
Michael

 

Ahh. So now it's just kidding around. Very convenient. Try that during your dissertation defense. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot....