Cal Coast

I don't believe that a candidate for accreditation actually called themselves a candidate for accreditation.

I believe a graduate of a candidate for accreditation called their alma mater a candidate for accredition even though by selective definition they may not be a candidate fo accreditation although by normal English language usage they are, in fact, a candidate for accreditation.

Now it would be a different story if an actual candidate for accreditation called themselves a candidate for accreditation. A candidate for accreditation may in this case cease being a candidate for accreditation because they, in fact, are subject to the rule that says a candidate for accreditation may not call themselves a candidate for accreditation.

Any of you guys work for the government?

 

It is wrong for the applicant school to do it. It is also wrong for graduates/students of that school to do it. The difference is that if graduates do it then it may not have as much of a negative impact on the liklihood of being granted DETC accreditation. It would still be potentially misleading to many people though. That is why DETC has the rule against using that word!

 

Unaccredited.
Jack

 

I'd like to know what the relevance of that rather Mosaic "thou shalt not" is to the facts this particular thread. The word 'candidate' wasn't used by CalCoast was it? It seems to have been used by some individual writing a reply to something on another discussion board.

Here's another thing that I'd like to know: What is the point of this thread? Is it only a note that people are talking about Cal Coast in other places and that they are saying the same kind of things that we say here? If that's all it is, then why all the interest? Perhaps I'm missing something.

 

I said: "Kirkland (the same one who posts here?) is very much incorrect regarding CCU's status with DETC. He states that CCU is a candidate for DETC accreditation. This is false. DETC does not have a candidacy designation; a school is or is not accredited. Attibuting candidacy implies an evaluation that has not yet taken place. CCU is no closer to accreditation that when it applied. "

I was just pointing out that referring to CCU as a candidate for accreditation by DETC was inaccurate. The rest of the thread is a response to those who--inexplicably--insist on calling it that anyway. I never said that the school did it.

 

With the latest from North Dakota I wonder if a neuroscience professor is still on the faculty at the University of North Dakota faculty. He is listed at: http://www.und.edu/dept/registrar/catalogs/YEAR9799/GENINFO/faculty.html

Also, here is a Cal Coast B.Sc. degree holder on the faculty at the the University of Lethbridge. William Nykiel went on to a M.Sc. from San Diego. http://www.uleth.ca/reg/2000-01/calendar/part18.pdf

John

 

There are large numbers of CCU graduates teaching at accredited schools.

The point I am making in this thread is that someone applying a term in general usage is not held to exacting standards expected of those more intimately involved.

I hear the butchery of accounting terms constantly. I do not object because to so so would make me look like a horses ass.

There are many here who obviously have no such fear.

 

The interesting thing about the Lethbridge faculty member is that his undergrad is an unaccredited Cal Coast degree followed by an RA masters. This is unusual and should be of note -- usually it is the other way around.

John

 

I found two more CCU undergrads who went on to earn RA masters, but even more unusual is this one

www.image-in.co.il/HTML/SEC4NET/about_manage.html

The guy at the bottom of the page.

 

I found two more CCU undergrads who went on to earn RA masters, but even more unusual is this one

www.image-in.co.il/HTML/SEC4NET/about_manage.html

The guy at the bottom of the page.

 

Very nice. Have your point utterly refuted by many and then resort to name-calling.

The fact that it was a graduate of CCU who has posted regularly here making a public comment ought to have something to do with whether or not accuracy is relevant. What cracks me up is that you defended it and tried to rationalize it. I guess pursuing a degree (and trying to fool people into thinking your doctorate--if you ever get it--comes from an accredited school) doesn't make you "more intimately involved"?

Manager: "Is this school where you got your degree accredited?"
Applicant: "Sure, by the DETC."
Manager: "Okay!"

Of course, the manager won't know that the school in question was not accredited to award doctoral degrees, and the applicant certainly won't point that out, so it's cool. Not. Perpetrating an untruth constitutes "intimate involvement" in my book. But my book also correctly applies the term "candidate for accreditation," so how good can it be?

(Stop calling people names and maybe they won't fight back.)

 

One of those rare cases where

Is your degree accredited?

and

Is the school you received your degree from accredited?

has two different answers.

Is it dishonest to answer in the positive to the second rather than answering the first?

-------
Bill Huffman, who enjoys being accused of looking like a horse's ass.

 

Don't remember calling anyone a name. Just recounted one of my fears. You sir are a brave man.

Part of every field are the technical definitions which do not necessarily jive with any other field or with normal English usage.

To apply the technical standards of a field in a letter meant for public consumption by people who would assume the normal meaning of a word is ridiculous.

Yes Rich I hope to have an accredited doctorate, just like you. Only mine will be from CCU.

 

This is too funny. Don't tap dance around the issue, just tell the lie straight out.

I don't know what the accepted definition of "accredited doctorate" is, but that can't be it.

The only real justice in this is if DETC requires that CCU "clear the pipeline" of doctoral students prior to accrediting the school. That would clear up any confusion, and prevent people from making a false claim.

A person in this situation will have a degree from CCU that never was included in DETC's accreditation. It will have exactly the same benefit--and academic meaning--as those awarded prior to accreditation. Only the naive will accept it. But that's what people like them are counting on, right?

 

But....it won't be accredited.

The DETC does not accredit doctoral programs. What part of that do you not understand????

 

Bruce, DETC does in fact accredit some doctoral programs. CCHS will soon offer doctoral programs and they are DETC. St. Augustine's is DETC and their doctoral program is accredited.

 

Actually, DETC is willing to accredit some schools offering first professional degrees. That's what you'll find at St. Augustine's and Concord. There is a difference.

They exclude the doctoral programs offered by Leicester and UNISA, and also did so with the ones offered by IMC.

DETC does not include any academic doctoral programs in their accreditation.

Where might we see information about the proposed CCHS doctoral programs you mentioned?

 

The part that says DETC accredits institutions, not programs.

Silly me, I guess there must be something technical that is not normal English that I am missing.

 

Where does it say that? DETC seems to have a different point of view regarding this issue. On their own listing of accredited schools, they have this to say about UNISA:

(Note: DETC's accreditation is for courses, programs through the first-professional degree level only.)

http://www.detc.org/degree.html#UNISA