Anyone complete any of these studies? (Mexican/Spanish Propios)

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by AsianStew, May 28, 2023.

  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Basically, I am wondering if all of these providers have multiple choice questions and no writing assignments. If that's the case, it's opposite to ENEB as they're all writing assignments!

    School of Business and Trade (Not Spanish, content/learning is in English).
    - Master of Arts in Social Sciences
    - Master of Science in Business Studies

    Universidad CLEA, example offerings below
    - Master's in Criminology, Criminalistics and Criminal Psychology

    European Quality Formación, example offerings belows
    - Master in Marketing, Human Resources Management, Professional Influencer

    INN Formación, example offerings below
    - Masters in Business Administration and Management

    Instituto SIAC, example offerings below
    - Master in Social and Community Intervention
    - Same Master, With Groups At Risk of Social Exlcusion

    TAGO estudios, example offerings below
    - MBA in Human Resources Management and Administration

    UNIDEMA - Master in Protocol & Event Management
    - MBA in Hospitality and Gastronomy
    - Triple Propio, Master Wedding Planner, Marketing And E-Commerce, Communication and Speech Skills
    - Triple Propio, MBA, (same as above, Communication/Speech, E-Commerce/Marketing)

    These may rival ENEB for the price, if you can settle with DeepL/Google Translate. However, these are all less recognized than ENEB, I don't recall anyone trying to have these evaluated or recognized except for the SOBAT offerings.
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The school is in Switzerland. Degrees from SOBAT are not propio. They are just plain Unaccredited. And they (wisely) admit it.
    Here's the school's "Accreditation Statement."

    I think "titulo propio" has, for some, almost lost its meaning entirely, in this forum. :(
    Last edited: May 28, 2023
  3. datby98

    datby98 Active Member

    I am taking a one-year program at TECH Technological University (previously discussed in the link below).

    So far, I have completed three modules, and all assignments of the units were multiple-choice questions. I noticed there would be some writing assignments in future modules, as mentioned in the curriculum; will see what would happen.
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    You don't? Well, I do. Here's CLEA:

    Not recognized by AICE or NACES member, except as continuing Ed. No degree credit. Hmph.
    It's all here:
  5. MichaelGates

    MichaelGates Active Member

    I have done all those you have listed. They would all be multiple choice exams, except for the Universidad CLEA, - Master's in Criminology, Criminalistics and Criminal Psychology which would have writing assignments, as well as, multiple choice questions. Instituto SIAC does have a writing assignment that you can choose to do or not do as an extra. No penalty for not doing it. I have had no need to see about having evaluations done by anyone
  6. MichaelGates

    MichaelGates Active Member

    This does have a couple case studies I forgot about, but they are less than 5 pages of writing total. Easy.
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    These translation aids are of limited use - as discussed previously. They can help you understand questions on ticky-box tests - and pick the right answers if you know them - as long as there's no time limit. They will be of NO HELP WHATSOEVER in understanding lectures.

    Yes - you can do tests - but how you gonna learn the material? Translating a whole textbook, or even a few chapters, can take FOREVER! It's just not practical. My take: learn the lingo. Always useful. Hey, you could even get an extra diploma.
    Last edited: May 28, 2023
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  8. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    SOBAT, which is seemingly Switzerland-based, is its own creature, but we've addressed this in other threads as Johann mentioned.

    Likewise, the Universidad CLEA is a distinct question as it is a recognized university in Mexico. Most of the programs, such as those offered by Masstercursos, are propio degrees, but they are at least granted by the postgraduate faculty of a real university. Many or most of their degree offerings through partners appear to be multiple choice-style or short response exams. Your milage may vary.

    After a quick skim through the other institutes' pages, the rest of the schools all appear to be independent education companies offering their own degree programs. These would be akin to the degrees issued by companies like Eudes Universitas, which I believe we've discussed here and likely on the other site.

    It's perfectly legal to issue such diplomas in Spain, but they'll likely only serve for professional development. Many programs offered by such companies don't even come with ECTS, so nothing can be transferred or used for top-up purposes. If you're looking for multiple choice tests, you may find them here. Yet, that doesn't bode well for the quality of the programs nor does it say anything about the legitimacy (recognition) of the degrees.

    You'll even notice on the Instituto SIAC site, for example, that they describe the value of their degree diplomas as follows:
    That is, "This diploma has full curricular and professional validity and will undoubtedly help you to continue advancing professionally."

    So, there's something to learn, and the degree title may have educational value, but there's no government or university recognition of the degree.
    So these are definitely less recognized than the degrees issued under the ENEB / Universidad Isabel I system and won't receive any kind of recognition from your standard Foreign Credentials Evaluation service, like WES.

    If you are wanting to test the waters in a certain field or to learn a thing or two, these programs could fit your needs. If you need to put MBA or Master's in ... on your CV to get past automated HR software, these might do the trick.

    Overall, you're better off doing a proper titulo propio granted by an actual university (such as those offered in participation with Formacion Alcala, ESHE, Hypatia Education, and the like). Most will require some amount of writing though.

    But if you're looking for programs with minimal writing, check out the UCAM degrees offered through Formacion Alacala. A number of them are currently advertised as being doable sin tesina (without a thesis).
  9. MichaelGates

    MichaelGates Active Member

    I found it quite easy to translate whole textbooks from Spanish to English using various free resources. I have done it many, many times. After signing up someone could even ask here to borrow copies of the translated textbooks. I keep all of mine.
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Bueno. Usted debe ser un genio. (Okay - you must be a genius.) Do all these courses come with textbooks, or recommended ones - or are they strictly lecture-format? Just wondering.
  11. MichaelGates

    MichaelGates Active Member

    There are places online you can take a Spanish textbook in Microsoft Word and Adobe pdf files, upload it and in a short time get the document back automatically translated to English. If the textbook is simply webpages in Spanish, I print the webpages into an Adobe pdf files and then use the program that will translate it automatically. With Chrome I can also right click on a webpage in Spanish, hit "Translate to English", then print into an Adobe pdf file to save. I don't have to know Spanish, just how to use computers and translation software online. I did however, take Spanish in High School.
  12. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Wow! That's really cool that you've tried out so many education providers from the Spanish-speaking world.

    Out of curiosity, are you able to share more about the particular degree programs and courses? For example, which programs did you enjoy the most? Those you found the most informative or valuable for your career?

    And what of the providers? Were some easier to work with others? Any insights to share about which provide better quality materials? Which are more rigorous? etc.

    Señor, could you tell us more about these software options as well? Muchas gracias!
  13. MichaelGates

    MichaelGates Active Member

    The best place to start learning is to go to this link and choose the document tab to upload documents to translate.

    Instituto SIAC has a helpful staff. Good if you are into social work type material. Enjoyed.
    European Quality Formación - Professional Influencer had many bad links to Youtube videos when I took it.
    UNIDEMA - bad looking certificates, staff not much help, ok for the price if you get it on sale. Could be more indepth.
    TAGO estudios, took two months to send me the digital diploma, but diploma and transcript looks nice.
    INN Formación - Masters in Business Administration and Management, heavy on learning Microsoft Office software, coaching.
    Universidad CLEA, nice diploma. Lot of writing I did in English and then in about five minutes translated to Spanish.
    School of Business and Trade - In English, hard questions, webpage texbooks a pain to use, searched online for textbook in pdf file.
    SOBAT uses American textbooks that were created by the government and free. A few test questions were typed wrong.
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  14. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks for the updates, just wondering, did any one of these have a partnership similar to ENEB where the University has a verification system for your certs/diplomas? I see SOBAT has one...
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes it does have its own verification system. But just how did SOBAT suddenly become a University? Or even hook up with a University to rubber-stamp its "degrees." Answer - it didn't do either.

    "All that glisters is not gold." William Shakespeare.
    "All thingies that award 'degrees' are not Universities." Johann von Biersaufen (me).
    Last edited: May 31, 2023
  16. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    The simple answer is that, aside from Universidad CLEA, which itself is a real university in Mexico issuing a number of titulo propio degrees, the rest are independent education companies offering various study programs independent of any university system.
  17. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Thank you for the review of all those schools, @MichaelGates! I may just have to give one or two a try.

    If you're willing to entertain a few more questions, have you tried out any of the other "major" players in the space? Grupo Tarraco? Formacion Alcala? Masstercursos? Hypatia Education? Instituto SERCA? Instituto SAERA? If so, which programs did you do and what did you make of them and their providers?

    Thanks again!
  18. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    I am not Michael Gates, but I did Grupo Tarraco, Formacion Alcala, Masstercursos, ESHE, euroinnova and indirectly Hypatia Education (they are run by the same guys who run Formacion Alcala'; another spin-off is Faro Business School).
    If you want to know something specific, feel free to ask.
  19. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Quite the list there, @Mac Juli!

    Yes, I had guessed that Hypatia was some kind of daughter school of Formacion Alcala as they are directly linked from FA's website. Oddly though, some of the identical courses have different pricing, depending on which provider you choose. It's a shame more of Hypatia's courses aren't listed on FA's site, at the lower prices. :D

    In any case, I'll try to sit down later and shoot you over a few questions. Thanks in advance!
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Here's a bit on the original lady named Hypatia, a polymath, thinker and scholar that the school is likely named after:

    (born c. 350–370; died 415 AD)[1][4] was a neoplatonist philosopher, astronomer, and mathematician who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, then part of the Eastern Roman Empire. She was a prominent thinker in Alexandria where she taught philosophy and astronomy.[5] Although preceded by Pandrosion, another Alexandrine female mathematician,[6] she is the first female mathematician whose life is reasonably well recorded.

    Whole thing here:
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