TECH Technological University

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Messdiener, Oct 22, 2022.

  1. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    I just stumbled upon TECH while searching for different programs, and wikipedia suggests that they're an outfit out of Mexico:

    Their website has courses in everything from dentistry to education to psychology to business and beyond. Prices seem to be fairly affordable, but the site only mentions vaguely that the TECH programs are 'officially accredited':

    A brief search of DI didn't turn anything up, so...has anyone heard of this university before? Any initial thoughts?
  2. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Admin/Mod request: any chance the title could be changed to TECH Technological University? Somehow, I missed the 'l'! Sorry about that!
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes. One. If it's a legit Mexican University -- look for an RVOE Number (Reconocimiento de Validez Oficial de Estudios) in the description of each degree program, in the catalog. No lo ve? ¡Huye! (If you don't see it - run!) :eek: Well, read this first...

    Every degree recognized by the authorities will have its own number. If the institution is recognized, it may teach other degrees without approval. Those degrees, however, have somewhat lesser recognition -- and if you get a US evaluation - from a legit, recognized evaluator - the result may not be what you were hoping for. If you "don't need no stinkin' evaluation" - do anything you like.

    And if you see no numbers at all -- on any degrees of a Mexican school --- run. Unless you're 100% OK with unaccredited stuff.
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  4. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Thanks for the clarification, Johann!

    I searched for RVOE on their site, per your recommendation, and found several references on TECH's FAQ page:

    They claim:

    What is RVOE?
    The Recognition of Official Validity of Studies (RVOE) is a number granted by the Ministry of Public Education of the United Mexican States to higher education academic programs that have passed the quality requirements established by current educational regulations. This number appears on all TECH's commercial and promotional material, but you can check its authenticity on the following page:​

    Is the entire program with RVOE 100% online?
    That's right, wherever you are, you can connect to a computer and, with your username and password, access the content of the program you have enrolled in, access the lessons, contact the staff working at the institution and/or the professor in charge of the training program you are taking. It is important to mention that this online modality is authorized by the SEP in the corresponding RVOE Agreement, which implies that the teaching-learning process is carried out exclusively through an educational technology platform. In those cases in which it is necessary to perform a mandatory social service, the appropriate indications will be established for it to be carried out in person at the end of the academic program.​

    Are the RVOE programs offered by TECH Technological University officially valid in ?
    The studies with official recognition are recognized by the Mexican Ministry of Public Education, and therefore will be recognized as officially valid programs in your country through the existing Homologation process. The costs and response times will depend on the authorities in charge of the process.
    Regrettably, I couldn't get the Mexican government site to load, so I wasn't able to confirm one way or the other whether any of the programs I was considering possess RVOE approval.

    A quick Google search does show that a handful of their programs have RVOE numbers. For example, here's is a master's program in teaching Spanish as a foreign language:

    The worry, as you alluded to in your post, is that most likely lack the RVOE numbers. I glanced at one or two programs' PDFs, and there wasn't a single mention of RVOE numbers. Does that make the programs completely unaccredited in Mexico and/or Spain? Or does that make them titulo propio?
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If the University itself is approved - the majority of its degrees will have RVOE. The others are titulo propio. If none have RVOE - nothing is approved - it looks like an unapproved school. In that case, the degrees will have no standing, except possibly "titulo mierda."
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I suggest you check the insitution carefully. I don't think it would be unusual to see a legit school offering a bunch of distance degrees at fire-sale prices, without RVOE. Moneymakers, plain and simple. As long as the school is Ministry-OK'd and the school's main offerings have RVOE -- the moneymakers would be titulo propio and therefore have some standing. Probably worth what you pay.

    I just looked - the Mexican Government site loaded, no problems. Looks OK. Lots - pages! of degrees carrying RVOE, You might want to check out any you're interested in, there. Darn small print, though!
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I note the school says they have RVOE for every degree they offer. From the large number of RVOE's listed for them on the Mexican Government site - I wouldn't doubt that at all.
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    A few dozen of their programs have RVOE. Since they offer hundreds of programs, that means only a small minority have RVOE.
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Pay attention to the designations on the side. They'll tell you which programs are online, hybrid, or on campus.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I did. You're right. What did me in was so many schools with Technologico /a . I conflated a few together, by mistake. Looks like this school has, as you say, a couple dozen RVOE degrees in varied fields mostly "No escolarizada" - i.e. distance. Great job - thanks for the correction. Much appreciated.

    Looks like what the school is really saying is "all the distance degrees we're offering (here?) have RVOE." On that basis, it's probably true - and individual degree programs can be checked out.
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  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    While I'm not fond of some of their graduate programs being taught by people with only a bachelor's degree and little to no experience, I'd choose this school over ENEB.

    Tip: Keep visiting the website for a better discount. I think it's based on the cookies on your device, and some programs will have bigger discounts than others.
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I looked a bit - and I'm not too intrigued. They have, as sanantone said, hundreds of programs -including a "Professional Master in Women's Fashion." Being interested, I read the blurb. They're offering a $1760 discount if I sign up right away (and I didn't) so I'm guessing the full-whack retail, which nobody pays, EVER - is maybe $5000 and the true average cost is probably half that. What you get is a "Professional Master" which is, to my eye, more of a certificate than a degree. In fact, they use the word "certificate," not "degree" in the description. I didn't check for an RVOE - but I'd be amazed if there is one - particularly at master's degree level.

    There wasn't much of a syllabus posted. What I read looked a lot like the non-degree, career school course in Fashion Design I took for $700 Cdn, last year. I couldn't find anything of real significance in the description, that wasn't covered in the career school course I took. And I had to make that one work! The texts (2) were great; the packets and ticky-boxes stunk (but I did 'em.) I read up elsewhere on a lot of things the text alluded to - bought more than a dozen books, spent a lot of time on the internet and got some great learning help from knowledgeable people. And I'm glad I did. If the text hadn't inspired me -- I might have just done the packets, finished the course, hated it and lost interest. I'd probably have let my dream die.

    One good point. The diploma they awarded me looks GREAT. So good, I gladly spent $200 having it custom-framed to my own specs - a real "fashion statement" and I'm proud of it. The appearance, that is - not of any scholarship to earn it - that wasn't required.

    I'm beginning to think these "professional master's" things are a bit of a racket. I know someone who took one - in a technology subject, from a Spanish school - degree (propio) granted from a real University there. It was rated at 1600 hours. He finished the work in 11 1/2 hours. That's right - eleven and a half hours. That person has their piece of paper - and they say it's no way a degree, despite what's printed on it.

    Yep. "Professional Master's" (not Master Universitario) seem to be strictly a moneymaker. Might save the Euro - or the Peso. That's about all. Anybody ever hear of someone who got a job through one?
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  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    When I heard about the school last year, I tried to look for people who possibly obtained employment with their degrees. Similar to ENEB graduates, it's hard to tell who's using their TECH degree because so many have multiple related degrees.

    Their professional masters programs are supposed to be different from their certificate programs. It appears that none of their certificate programs have RVOE. If I'm not mistaken, most of their online programs on the RVOE list are professional master's degrees.

    I can't quite figure out what the coursework is like, but I'm assuming the professional master's programs are less research-oriented. It would suck to have your master's degree evaluated by a credential service as a graduate certificate, which could be a possibility for these types of programs.
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  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The advanced master's programs are supposed to be 3,000 hours long and take two years to complete. The professional master's programs are supposed to be 1,500 hours long with no completion timetable. The FAQ page says that the advanced and professional master's programs are considered professional and continuing education that's equivalent to a master's degree. If you look at the examples they have for their diplomas, you'll see that "advanced master's" or "professional master's" will be on them instead of Master of Science, Master of Arts, Master of Education, etc. Their traditional programs, however, have those traditional titles.

    It's hard to tell whether the RVOE designations apply to their online programs offered to Americans as advanced and professional masters. Mexican law requires universities to make it clear which programs do and do not have RVOE, but TECH fails to do that.
  15. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    There's an error on this example of the diploma. It's also strange wording to say that someone earned a professional master's degree in MBA. Master of Business Administration should be spelled out, but it seems that one is not really earning a Master of Business Administration. It looks like a professional master's degree with the content of an MBA. I don't know if this is being done for the credential evaluation services, but listing the hours makes it look like a certificate for a continuing education program. Screenshot_20221022_184243.jpg
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It would suck -- but I'm beginning to think that might be the best-case scenario - not the worst.

    As to the certificate vs. Master thing, they sometimes seem to confuse the two categories. The Fashion Design course I mentioned is titled and priced "Master" but in at least one instance, the program is shown as a "certificate."

    I have seen that "master in ... followed by a specific MBA, in other overseas schools. Yes, it's clumsy and incorrect usage. Sometimes this is just an error - as I presume it is, here. Other times, it's a dodge. A really bad school will award a "Master" or "Doctoral" certificate or diploma - so nobody goes to jail for awarding an unauthorized degree. I don't think that's happening here.

    I would NOT want a diploma with that wording. It's "filling out a form" carried to a ridiculous extent. I don't care where a University is - if they instruct in English and enrol English-speaking students - their English usage should be faultless. They're a University - not an auto repair shop. If their market is China - their Chinese should be perfect, etc.
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  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    There are also multiple grammatical and spelling errors on the website. As large as this university claims to be, they can afford an editor who is fluent in English. Having errors on a diploma is unacceptable. Honestly, the diploma should be in the school's main language because all of the diplomas should be the same. Creating different diplomas for different countries is a bit odd.
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It is odd. I think it's done as a marketing thing. Saves the grad from the expense of a certified translation - for a prospective boss or a credential evaluator. That's the only value I can see -- and based on what we've seen here, I'd rather do without it. I'd gladly take the Spanish version -- as long as it was correct.
  19. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    That looks...awful. Reminds me of those little awards my kids get in Kindergarten and such.
  20. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It looks like they offer no MS, MA, MEd, etc. degrees. Their FAQ says that RVOE makes their programs equivalent to those degrees depending on the field, whatever that means. I guess if Mexico says it's a master's degree, then it's a master's degree.

    RVOE, or lack thereof, should still be clearly displayed on their website in accordance with Mexican law so that students know that they're enrolling in the correct programs. I just came across a review from a Spanish-speaking student, and she's complaining about her veterinary program not being RVOE.

    This school was discussed on the other forum, and no one could find their PhD in communication. It's also hard to find genuine reviews. TrustPilot is filled with reviews from bots or employees.

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