I just saw this today. Haven't been back her for a couple years but got bored and was curious. I met Abner through this forum, helped him as a student at aspen university. I flew out and met both him and Kim in 2009 in CA, we had dinner, it was nice. I was supposed to fly up and meet Bear but my wife got sick and I had to fly home. Ass Bear has dogged me ever since, F you john. Abner and I worked a couple causes together and met probably 3-4 times a year up until maybe 3-4 years ago. He had put on a lot of weight and was very depressed last time I saw him. When we first met he was very fit and confident. His main job was as a HR mediation manager for union workers. His MBA thesis was on the benefits of bringing a business education to the union side of the negotiating table. We corresponded regularly via email until a couple years ago. Both he and his wife were good people.