Jd Degree

Re: Support eliminating NON BAR J.D. degrees

It's funny, but when someone uses really bad English skills to make their point(s), it detracts from the validity of their point(s). Especially when they are so quick to disparage others.

Strange, but your English skills and usage don't sound like a law school graduate. (I grade down undergrad papers that have the kind of errors you made above.) I counted five ungrammatical usages in your last post alone, not including abbreviations and simple misspellings or typing errors, which could be explained by the casual nature of this forum.

If I were to hire a lawyer, I would want one that evidenced acceptable English skills.

FWIW, I am not related to any of the schools and am not attacking you personally, just making a point. I was just struck by the irony...

I do, however, agree with Dude that restricting options for legitimate students is a bad thing.

 

thats all you got?

Couple of things I typed this while reading emails and talking on the telephone so I didnt check it for perfect writing, of which I got an A in Legal Writing in Law School, nor did I use Microsoft spell check to go over what I wrote, its quick message not a controlled document.

Chill out, or you will never achieve your goal of being a lawyer or a non bar J.D. graduate, lol.

I am a graduate of an ABA law school and obviously YOU are not!

I SUPPORT ELIMINATING NON-BAR J.D. DEGREES not non ABA law schools which will provide the opportunity to become a member of the Bar in California.

 

Re: thats all you got?

Just curious: where'd you go? This forum has two regular members of whom I know went to ABA schools: me - 'Zona, and Nosborne48 - UNM.

Welcome, counselor.

 

Law School Legislation - California

If anyone is interested in this, here's some links about Senator Dunn's bill to change how correspondence/online schools are regulated in California- "CA Bill SB 1568":

CA Bill SB 1568


http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1568&sess=CUR&house=B&site=sen

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1551-1600/sb_1568_cfa_20060404_155746_sen_comm.html

 

I SUPPORT ELIMINATING NON-BAR J.D. DEGREES not non ABA law schools which will provide the opportunity to become a member of the Bar in California.

Ok, why?

 

get rid of non-bar J.D. degrees

I must have posted 6 or 7 responses regarding this issue already.

The J.D. degree is a professional degree for practicing law just like the M.D. degree is for practicing medicine, D.D.S. is for practicing dentistry. there is no non-medicine M.D. degree and
no non dental D.D.S degree and there should not be a non-bar J.D. degree, it degrades the profession of law. Period!

Folks, is that hard to understand?

A non bar J.D. is NOT A REAL LAW DEGREE since it does not
have eligibility to practice law.

California is planning on eliminating these degrees and I SUPPORT IT and will work to make it happen.

Since I have already written so many times on this subject
I am done with it now.

Write this down for reference!

1) I support eliminating non bar J.D. degrees completely!!!!!!

2) I support closing all correspondence law schools
that dont consistently have graduates pass the bar every year.

3) I support a requirement for all correspondence law schools to have DETC accreditation and no non bar programs. This willl weed out the bad law schools and will take anyone as a law student.

4) I support closing unaccredited residential law schools that havent had at least 10 graduates past the bar every year for the past 5 years.

5) I support eliminating 1 man "law schools" and support the requirement that a faculty and staff of admitted attorneys must approved the awarding of a J.D. degree after 4 years to student graduates.

6) I support passage of the baby bar at unaccredited law schools in order to continue on and get the J.D. degree, with no exceptions, unless one has prior attedance at an state bar accredited or ABA law school and thus would be exempt from
the baby bar.

There are too many unaccredited law schools most should be
eliminated, BUT NOT ALL.

I support Senator Dunn's bill to remove the BPPVE control from unaccredited law schools and give full control to the State Bar
since they are in the business of regulating and licensing attorneys, this will ensure only the good law schools still in business and the those J.D. degrees are actually worth something.

 

Why...............

Is JDLLM2 so angry?

 

JDLLM2,

Do you support the concept of a non-Bar qualifying law degree for those interested in law, but have no desire to practice, as long as it was named something other than the J.D.? Something like a M.S. in Legal Procedure?

 

non law degree

Yes, I support a degree like a Master of Legal Studies, I support any degree that teaches legal studies that is not called a LAW DEGREE.

A law degree is a Juris Doctor degree awarded in ABA law school after 3 years of full time study or 4 years of full time study or a non ABA law school after 4 years of study.

By the way no angry here, just tried of those lazy wannabe
J.D.'s that want to get the Non Bar Juris Doctor degree to try
and fool employers or their family and friends into thinking
they went to law school.

If your not bar qualified you didnt go to law school, if you got
a non bar J.D. degree from some idiot printing a degree in his spare bedroom from his 1 man "law school" your not a Juris Doctor.

 

While JDLLM2 is a bit on the passionate side, he has a point. A Masters or Doctorate in Legal Studies makes a lot more sense and is more honest. It certainly fulfills the need for advanced legal studies for one who does not care to practice law.

The only reason these fly-by-nights offer the "JD" is because it has some marketing panache. Why? I don't know. Misperception among the general public, probably. They think a JD automatically ensures that wealth and prestige will follow, when the reality is not quite so cheery--I know from personal experience, as does my brother-in-law, and about two out of every three attorneys.

For an example of a legitimate university doing this the right way: http://www.friends.edu/academics/GradSchool/msbl.asp

 

Re: Why...............

That's a pretty impressive resume. When did you go to Western State?

I squared off against an attorney who'd gone there when we were representing opposing corporations some years back. Very impressive guy, also had a great resume: BA - U of Colorado, MBA - UC Berkeley, JD - Western State. Name was Asanti. People in othetr states often don't realize how well-respected many non-ABA schools are in California, people of high qualifications go there because they're typically more flexible and often times have students that aren't all that distinguishable from the more elite schools.

I hear that Western is now ABA or close. That true?

 

Re: Re: Why...............

It's provisionally approved by ABA since 2/14/2005.

 

Re: non law degree

Just out of curiosity, why do you have a problem with a one man operations? It seems to me that this is a good choice for someone who wants to spend as little money as possible, and qualify for the bar. As long as the "school" is honest and discloses everything to the potential students, I don't see any problem.

Also, as it has already been asked a couple of times, which schools did you attend and are you a member of the bar?

 

Re: Re: non law degree

No offense here... This is just my speculation.

1. Non Bar J.D. from Saratoga University or NCU
2. LL.M. from St. Thomas University
3. Still trying to pass the Bar

 

Yes I am against 1 man law schools

Simply put, a 1 man operating a law school is not qualified to
give someone a Law Degree, a Juris Doctor Degree which is a professional degree.

A Juris Doctor is earned by taking real law school exams and writing papers that are graded by a number of different law faculty, all that are admitted to the bar, then through a process
of qualification and review the degree is awarded to the law student.

Should there be 1 man operation Medical Schools?

Should there be 1 man operation Dental Schools?

No and NO

This issue is beaten to death.

I am against 1 man operating a law schools and having the power to "award" someone a J.D. degree!

I am a graduate of an ABA law school and prior to that a State Bar Accredited Law School, I refused to take the bait
and name the law schools as this will take away the focus on
1 man law schools operations and my quest here in California
to shut them down!

 

This certainly makes sense to me. It would be crazy to pay the same kind of money to a one man school as to a larger long established one. I feel a student should be free to take a risk though. It is my understanding that California residents (students) pay a small amount of money into some sort of tuition recovery fund so that the state will refund them whatever amount of money is lost if such an operation folds.

 

some people will never get the message

Dude,

Did you finish high school?

I ask because your responses dont match with what I said in
each one of my messages.

I am against 1 Man having the power as a 1 man operation law
school; to give, sell, award, grant or otherwise confer upon a person a Juris Doctor Professional Law Degree.

I am working hard to get California to eliminated 1 man from having J.D. degree granting power and law schools from having the power to award a Juris Doctor degree that is not bar qualifying.

Sorry to you and the "CPA" who failed in his attempt to guess which state bar accredited law school I went too and who also doesnt know anything about california law schools since he does not hold a Juris Doctor or Master of Laws and I presume never attended any law schools as well.

I am outta here.

 

Re: some people will never get the message

You know, I'm starting to think that JDLLM's a fraud.

I asked him very nicely where he'd gone to law school. I meant nothing by it, was not trying to pin the guy down in any way or embarrass him at all. But he plays coy with me and attacks others. Just will not tip his hand as to where--if anywhere--he went.

I just honestly was glad to see another member of the legal fraternity on these boards. But perhaps I should have read his posts before I asked the question, because even when this guy's right (and I think his opinion of one-man shops and non-ABA "JDs" is spot-on), he's hostile and insulting.

I can't help but sense a fraud.

Typically, when people get so huffy when their credentials are questioned and go on full-scale attack, throwing ad hominem and invective about, and do so in a manner that demonstrates that they have mediocre writing skills, I really have to wonder if they have the credentials they claim at all. "He doth protest too much." (note the proper use of the word "too", JDLLM.)

I wish you well, though; hope you get over whatever it is that's eating at you.