Zimmerman trial - Prosecution finished

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Really? What did he get wrong?
     
  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The part where Zimmerman said he was innocent, so he must be. You know, how Martin teleported behind a bush, hit Zimmerman with a Finger Poke of Doom, smashed his head into the ground about one or two million times, verbally announced his intention to murder him (causing Zimmerman to fear that Martin was considering the possibility of looking for a gun on Zimmerman's person so that if he should so happen to find one, he could steal it and use it), at which point they Both Reached for the Gun.

    Rule of thumb: if it comes from the media it's wrong; if it comes from Zimmerman it is right. I still haven't figured out what to do in the case where they both agree. How can regurgitated worms be certifiable, unquestionable truth?
     
  3. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Are you watching the trial at all? Snark and straw men arguements are no way to get your point accross. By the way, what is your point? Mine is as it has alway been. Wait for the trial with evidence and testimony and see what bares out. Guess what? The picture of the racist white wannabe cop murdering the angelic little boy was/is/and always will be wrong. The physical evidence shows that GZ version of the events is what happened. Hell, if you have been watching the trial at all, you know that most of the testimony from the PROSECUTION'S witness's supported GZ side of the story.

    How so many people can be so wrong about something is baffling. And yet we cling to those things...why?

    You know that the media lied from the get go about this case right? You know they doctored the 911 tape to show racism (where there is none), right?. You know they (CBS) purposely did not show GZ head and nose wound photo's, right? You know they pushed the false story about race and made up the narrative of who GZ was, right? So you don't like what is happening? Too bad, you and most everyone else on here had it wrong. But now, in light of all the doctoring of tapes, withholding of evidence by the media and I'm supposed to trust them? Again, why? The hunt for the Great White Defendant? This is not the case the race hustlers were looking for and they should not have hitch their wagon to this one.

    All this is bared out in the trial.
     
  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Which would put us on the same page- except that I'm a lot funnier than you are.
     
  5. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Yes, you are a legend in your own mind.
     
  6. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Rich, with respect, I think your a little off base here:

    1. Trayvon was unarmed...he needed his hands free to bash Zimmy's head into the sidewalk....

    2. Trayvon was walking in the rain, at night, between folks apartments, in an area that had recently been rife with break ins allegedly committed by black males...I'm sorry Rich, that is suspicious.

    3. The victim was a minor. While this is true it's also relevant to point out that Trayvon was taller than Zimmy and could certainly be assumed to be an adult given his physical characteristics, location, and the relatively late hour....I'm just saying that if I saw a 6 foot plus guy i don't start thinking...oh look at that little kid on the cell phone. I think the continued description of 17 year old Trayvon as a "minor" is sort of meaningless. at 17 he could have been inducted into the service, given a rifle and sent to war. This was no young innocent child by any stretch of the imagination.

    4. I think it was a clearly a bad idea to be out neighborhood watching...after seeing what can happen to you my neighbors can screw themselves, I'll think long and hard before rendering aid of any kind. Kinda funny though, if Zimmy had just witnessed a bank robbery and followed the bad guy we would herald him as a hero.

    5. Seems true and I'm not sure that it doesn't support Zimmy. If your gonna track down and kill someone would you really do it with the Police on the phone? I don't think Zimmy's a genius, but surely we don't think he's THAT stupid do we?

    6. He was NOT TOLD TO STOP FOLLOWING TRAYVON. This one gets me it's not how anyone says it went down. The dispatcher (note dispatcher not policeman) said something to the effect of "we don't need you to do that" in regards to following the person Zimmy described as a suspect. That's not an order, and if it were it wouldn't be valid in any way. The dispatcher went over this under oath on the stand in detail.

    7. If Trayvon had a "right" to be there then so did Zimmy. In a car out of a car near each other far from each other...this notion that Zimmy was confined to his car is ludicrous! In bad judgenment....maybe. But Trayvon had no magical pass that made him being there somehow more legal than Zimmerman.

    8. And then the gap was closed by Trayvon (perhaps, we will never know for sure). Both parties had plenty of chances to avoid the whole thing and neither seems to have been able to rise to the occasion.

    9. Change "victim" to "possible assailant" and I'm right there with you on this one. Innocent till proven guilty and all.

    Hell of a world when a 17 year old nearly grown man gets caught in the possession of jewelry, burglary tools, and pot whcih leads to suspension from school. Then moves into a new community with his Dad who fails to watch him (didn't even know Trayvon was missing till the next morning). Trayvon goes out and buys the fixins for a drug cocktail, has trace amounts of marijuana in his system, acts shady, and gets into a fight with an armed man.

    The Police investigated this and turned it over to the proper legal authority (Seminole County Prosecutors Office). The Prosecutor declined to bring forth charges. The Governor of Florida intervened and assigned a "Special Prosecutor" out of Jacksonville to try this case....this is being done in contrivance to the intent of the law. We should all be concerned and upset about this. The true injustice is that this case was brought on through political belligerence, cow-towing to mob mentality. This case should never have been tried.
     
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  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Ditto. But my mind is greater than yours. :drive:
     
  8. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. In an unrelated case, Raul Rodriguez not only called 911 but put the whole thing on video. He confronts his neighbors, flashes a gun to them and starts, deliberately, warning that he's in fear for his life and that he has to stand his ground. ANGRY DRUNK NEIGHBOUR SHOOTS A GUY - MUST WATCH!!!! - YouTube He was sentenced to 40 years. It's hard to fathom, but some people are that stupid.
     
  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I am Kevlar, you are ShamWow. Whatever bounces back drips off of me and gets fully absorbed by you.
     
  11. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Man, this pathologist is brilliant. The Prosecution will not challenge this man's credentials. Impressive.

    What's best about him is that we have someone who is actually looking at the evidence and making conclusions instead of twisting the facts to meet conclusions.

    What's left of the state's case just went down the shitter.
     
  12. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    There is no doubt the world is chock full of dumbass. But I don't really see your correlation. I don't think Zimmerman handled himself particularly well...but I also think Trayvon had plenty to do with getting himself shot. The whole thing is tragic.

    Tragic that...
    ...Trayvon doesn't seem to have had anyone to really give a damn about him, poor guidance, poor homelife, etc...
    ...that Zimmerman felt he had to take it upon himself to defend his neighborhood, Wasn't in Beirut or Damascus, happened in anytown USA!
    ...that the letter of the law and regular process was circumvented and this miscarriage was brought to trial.
    ...tragic that race was played by the usual suspects (Sharpton, Jackson) in collusion with mainstream media...we will never overcome this unless we stop feeding it to ourselves.
    ...tragic that right or wrong is being decided by political expediency.
     
  13. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    I haven't really felt the Prosecution thinks they have much of a case the whole time. Almost as if he knows Zimmermans not a witch but rolled his eyes and agreed to prosecute it anyway...wonder why that is. At times he's presented evidence almost as if trying to help the defense.

    ...but I wouldn't take bets on where the jury lands.
     
  14. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Wow, you really scored on that one, whew! :rolleyes:

    Many on this board have the whole approach wrong here. You guys keep harping on the point that "everyone is taking Zimmerman at his word."
    I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I can say that I've NEVER taken GZ at his word. I've done just as this forensic pathologist said:
    I've looked at the evidence - including stuff that the jury won't ever see that has come out in this trial - and then I've gone back and have seen it
    match up nearly beat for beat with Zimmerman's story.

    The story didn't dictate the evidence, the evidence supports the story. There's a difference. That difference seems ungraspable to some, though.
     
  15. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Again, back to watching the actual trial. Pathologist made the following point regarding the actual physical evidence: Gap between skin and shirt. TM was over George when he was shot.

    The prosecution better not challenge or defense will bring Sir Isaac Newton to the stand ;)
     
  16. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    No, I'm saying this trial is a mistake and as a result the outcome is irrelevant. No outcome will make the trial any less of a mistake. The man broke no law, not sure why some people have so much trouble seeing that....
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Some people? A lot of people felt it was worthwhile to try him, obviously. Everyone who mattered, which is why he is there.

    The defense moved to dismiss after the prosecution presented its case, stating that the prosecution didn't prove its case. The judge denied the motion. In that judge's mind, it isn't as cut-and-dried as this poster likes to say.

    Unlike other posters, including this one, I am not saying whether or not he is guilty, nor am I predicting the outcome of the trial. But he shot and killed an unarmed teenage boy and I'm glad he's on trial.

    I'm fine if the law exonerates him. I'm also fine if he is convicted. And I'm open-minded about his guilt or innocence.
     
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  18. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    So you're basically saying that I am more intelligent than "a lot of people" because I can see this entire case proceeding this far is a travesty. Thank you, I appreciate you recognizing that I have more common sense than "everyone who mattered".
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Or less. Enjoy your anger.
     
  20. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    It's more. I'm not particularly angry, it's more an extreme level of disgust at the lack of intelligence of "everyone who mattered". I find it sad that people this stupid are put in any kind of role that allows them to make decisions beyond choosing basic office supplies.
     
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