Zimmerman trial - Prosecution finished

I'm not a racist. (You'll have to support this wild assertion.)
I'm not little.
I'm not MC's buddy.
I don't hate whitey.
I don't know about MC, but I would look a bit out-of-place at a New Black Panther Party meeting.

But thank you for playing. Please stop violating the TOS.

 

No, I didn't. I said his assertions about his credentials were not supported and, thus, weren't true. I also suggested he back up his claims. To wit: Oh, I'm not questioning them. I am saying they're not true.

You see, you're anonymous. That means no one can determine whether or not what you say about yourself is true. That makes it our choice. I choose, based on the evidence you provide, not to believe them.

I'm not proving the point. I'm just rejecting the assertion. Feel free to offer evidence to the contrary.

I didn't say he was lying. I said his claims were unsupported and, thus, not true. That's how science works. The evidence points us to the truth. And a lack of evidence is not evidence. So he's welcome to assert a claim and I'm entitled to reject it. But simply claiming something doesn't bestow a right that the claim be recognized by others. Back it up.

 

Makes sense, I assume then it was a typo saying civil action instead of civil rights action?

I'll be very surprised if they try to bring a civil rights violation action here. There is less evidence (like almost none?) available to support that case than the case where he was found not guilty.

My opinion is that the likely biggest problem exposed by this situation is the stand you ground law itself. If Florida had more typical self defense laws then GZ would have had an obligation to try to avoid or defuse or leave if he possibly could. At least that's my understanding. If that were the case then perhaps the jury would have had more to deliberate about?

 

It is a sort of community, and it has some members using pseudonyms. But one of us was called a "racist." The other was NOT called a "liar."

In the "racist" claim, I asked for evidence to back up the assertion. I suggested it wasn't true if it wasn't supported.

In the other, I rejected a claim (yours) due to a lack of evidence. But that doesn't necessarily make you a liar, and I didn't call you one. But you are making an unsupported claim and that claim does not, by itself, command acceptance by others. So I rejected it. The claims don't make you a liar, and they may very well be true. So back them up. Or leave it alone. Either way, I don't really care. I suspect you don't, either.

 

Here's another situation of reverse violence where race is not even mentioned. The victim was white and all six assailants were black. The victim died this past Friday.

Ohio man beaten last year by 'bored' teens dies; autopsy could lead to new charges | Fox News

 

No, I'm saying that to consider something true, one should have support for the assertion. I'm NOT saying he's lying. I'm saying there is no reason to think it's true, so I accept the alternate: that it is not.

If there was an identity, then the degrees would be relevant. But to tout them in a sig line of an anonymous poster is about as reliable as citing some graffiti you read in a paper you wrote.

 

Didn't mean it pejoratively. Just that there's no personal relationship here that would cause you to rush to my defense...to your credit, of course.

 

Ehh, you essentially called me a liar. It's fine. It doesn't bother me, but we aren't in some academic setting here where a hypothesis needs to proven or disproven. I've made a statement, you've chosen to tell me that you don't accept it as true, that what I've said is a lie. I have no desire to prove you wrong, primarily because I work in an industry that is heavily dominated by liberal/"progressive" types and disclosing my identity here could come back to bite me in the ass due to some of the things I've posted on this forum over the last four years. I'm not willing to commit career suicide in order to prove some random commenter wrong.
That said, now Rich, you've stated that you're not a racist. Now I'm NOT saying you're lying. I'm saying there is no reason to think it's true, so I accept the alternate: that it is not.

 

“I didn't say he was lying. I said his claims were unsupported and, thus, not true.”

Now that’s what we call in Texas … talking in a circle Rich (e.g., irresponsibly evading the issue). If one’s claims are untrue (e.g., false), then is not that considered lying? Pardon me, but it is my own observation that you have /did call the poster a liar. Of course as everyone on this discussion board already knows … your allegation was merely a silly attempt at baiting the poster into additional personal disclosure (e.g., personal identity).

Rich this is not the first time you have resorted to argue for the marginalization of those who choose anonymity and ...explicitly toward those who conflict with your views (e.g., a discrediting mechanism). The most recent being suggesting /asserting the absence of educational credentials of an anonymous poster who happens to be in opposition to your own observation/s as regards the Zimmerman trial events. Besides, what would any poster’s education credentials matter as regards this particular discussion thread anyway?

P.S. Per the anonymous assertion as regards racism; I too would not consider you a racist Rich … but of course your counter claim to the earlier racist allegation is likewise unsupported /unconfirmed isn’t it. Are you beginning to perceive just how far we could allow ourselves to proceed with all this…?

 

The verdict is what it is. The lesson learn is that for black men, if you are being followed, stand your ground and incapacitate the follower. Your life depends on it. You may win the fist fight but loose your life. I guess this is advice for anyone, assumed the person instigating a fight is packing, stand your ground and render the instigator incapable of using his gun - your life depends on it. The best advice is run from any fight if you are not packing.

 

I think that this might be good advice even if your are "packing" as you say. Who wins in a fight? You punch a person in the head, then be prepared for the consequences. Unlike the movies, a lot of people die from it. You most likely will not care about the insult in a few weeks, or months. Who cares what people say! I am way past that. In few months, however, is probably when you will care about the court process which will dwarf the original insult in terms of worry and consequences.

 

Wow, that's a really great story Tobe.

Or the lesson might be here when a "crazy ass cracka" is following you and you run and lose him on the way to your house. Stay home. But if you decide to double back and break someone's nose and then repeatedly bash their head into the cement, and despite another person seeing you do this and telling you to stop, be prepared to suffer some consequences.

There's two scenarios. One is from actual events as they were presented in a trial and the other is...what...fantasy? As for your advice to black men, you'd best adjust that to; Best advice for black men...stay away from other black men. If you're in a research mode why not find out how many black men were killed by other black men since TM was killed by the Jewish/Hispanic father who mentored young black kids and had the trust of his neighbors.

Go ahead and stop when you reach 5,000 because then you'll be noticing something. And in America the worse thing you can do is notice things.

 

When it comes to fighting, armed or not, Bobby Bare pretty much summed it up with his song "the Winner". Gospel truth here... THE WINNER by BOBBY BARE - YouTube

 

I would like to thank the people behind a few aggressively negative, anonymous, attack-based persona for teaching me something. It will change forever how I post here.

I am truly grateful.

 

Rich, buddy, you're guilty of the exact same thing. I can tell you I received numerous PMs since this thread began regarding you and your history of being abusive when others disagree with you. I have no ill will towards you, but you need to be willing to get as well as you give. I'll leave it at that.

 

What a child.

 

Wow, 9,000+ posts and you have the skin of an heirloom grape.

 

You can be my buddy, at least on degreeinfo, if you would like.

P.S. if there is a race war does that mean that the power movements will be scurrying to kill me as well? If so then I may want to decline. On second thought I consider a race war very unlikely so my offer stands.