Your Presidential Initiatives

Interesting question. If the ONLY two options were abortion or auction, then yes. However, they aren’t the only two options.

 

Thank you for sharing your personal experience here. Being faced with such a difficult decision is a heavy burden that only the bearer truly knows; you're right about that. Who are any of us to judge that decision?

I think the loss of a child is the greatest sorrow of all. My sincerest condolences to you. I came across this poem a while back and like to share it:

"Earth hath no sorrows
That Heaven can't heal."
As I softly repeat it,
Great comfort I feel.
And I long to reach out
To those in the storm
Of sorrow's dark night
And point to the mourn,
When joy will abound
Up there in the skies,
As God gently wipes
The tears from our eyes!
Oh, then we'll see clearly
The face we adore
And greet our dear loved ones
Who've gone on before.
Gone every heartache
That here we may feel;
For "Earth hath no sorrows
That Heaven can't heal!"

-Alice Hansche Mortenson

Susanna

 

OK - so if abortion was a criminal offense...

If abortion were to become illegal, and a woman decided to have an abortion, what would be the appropriate punishment for the woman?

Shawn

 

The woman and anyone who provides assistance should receive life in prison.

 

Since you don't care about her, why stop there... why not just execute her? Or would that weigh too heavily on your conscience; I guess putting her in prison for life is easier for you.

And, what about Canada? Women would drive into Canada or perhaps even Mexico for abortions. How would you handle that? How would you stop your newly created black market for abortions? How are you going to pay for the huge amount of prisons that you will need?

Susanna

 

If were to kill my little baby nephew, I would (justifiably) be charged with murder and sentenced to life in prison, maybe even death. Why do mothers who execute their unborn deserve any less? Lowering the punishment, simply because the human is not yet born, devalues unborn life. Either unborn babies are human beings or they are not. If you believe they are, their killers should be prosecuted just as any other murderer would be.

I think you are exaggerating the whole black market thing. That said, if we need to build new prisons, so be it. Like I said before, anything is better than sanctioning murder. I wouldn't use the possible costs as an excuse to allow the death to continue.

As for Canada, good question: I don't think the U.S. would have jurisdiction to penalize someone for having an abortion in another country. I would certainly think about indirect ways to stop it from happening, though.

 

I wholeheartedly understand your passion to discontinue this horrific practice. However, let me add a few additional thoughts to yours:

Murder is defined in the Bible as an "intentional homicide", meaning lying in wait to kill. If you are brainwashed into believing that a fetus is a mere blob of tissue, nothing more, are you then committing an "intentional homicide"? Planned Parenthood has spent immense time and resources convincing young women that a fetus is nothing but tissue; the fact that life starts at conception is snickered at and when God is mentioned the ACLU cries foul. You will then also have millions of women, indoctrinated by the practice, who refuse to take a look back and admit that they've done a horrible wrong. Many of these women will keep the lie of the blob going. It is after all something that would be incredibly hard to admit: "I was wrong, I killed a human life". How can she live with that truth? She will stand against your accusation of murder and your indifference until the bitter end. Then, let me ask, what have you contributed to the "changing hearts and minds" campaign?

As for exaggerating, I am not sure if that is true. In Germany abortions were illegal, so German women went to the Netherlands to have it done. Yes, Germany washed it's hands of the practice but it continued. In my opinion, we need to try to reach the women before they commit this wrong. Who better to help reach them then those women who have repented of their wrong and want to help make it right? Why not make it a law that all women sit through an educational session about the realities of an abortion?

Yes, end the practice but end it with "healing" so that repentance is an option.

As for late-term abortions, that is barbaric. All involved in that practice should be held accountable. It's unbelievable that we allow that in this country.

Susanna

 

Well, at least you didn't dodge the question.

Like you, I believe that life begins at conception. I am firmly opposed to abortion. But I can't see how throwing people in prison will end the practice.

If abortions were to be outlawed, there would be some provisions (rape, incest, life of the mother) that would be exceptions. Those who had the means to see medical care would more than likely claim one of these three, and we would be back at square one. Before Roe v. Wade, this was the established practice.

I would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned, because I believe the Supreme Court ruled on an issue that should be a state issue, not federal.

 

Life begins at conception, right? Well, maybe.

Are we absolutely certain on this? For the sake of argument, how do we know when the soul actually enters the body? Dr. MacDougall conducted experiments in 1907 in an attempt to determine the weight of the soul. His findings are certainly debatable.

Also, isn't standing to outlaw abortion predicated on the Judeo-Christian values, and the religious beliefs and philosophies that are abundant in this country? After all, suppose someone did not believe in on of the popular dogmatic religions that teaches that we live once, and then we are judged and condemned to heaven or hell, what kind of questions would then occur with this or starting to question one's own religion regardless if it's Western-based or Eastern-based? Actually, let's examine:

(1) If a child is aborted according to Christianity what happens to the soul of the child, (a) they go to heaven, (b) they were born in sin, did not get a chance for redemption, so they will go to hell accordingly, (c) they must come back in a different body in order to gather the necessary life experiences to pass or fail the spiritual test that God has set before them, (d) something else entirely different than the options I have noted above.

Please take as much space as you need to complete your answer.

(2) If you believe in reincarnation and every deed adds up in the karmic world, then is it possible the child, mother and possibly father have made a sacred agreement or contract before coming into the physical plane to have the pregnancy take place and then to abort the child, as a way of karmic redemption?

I'm not stating either of these are accurate assessments, yet I will start I firmly believe that we really don't know, and until we do why should we force the hand of others to make a choice that is dictated strictly by our own moral compass, when in essence it could violate their very belief system that they've held intact for a lifetime(s)? Should we not give people the freedom to make their own choices, when we cannot scientific prove when the soul enters the body, and life actually begins?

 

1. Kick generation X & Y to the curb in regards to social security ( they have been whinning about it anyway) Serve'em up a "notch baby" syndrome then pick up the social security system afterwards... we need your money not your imput! See how the like them apples!

2. Use our nuclear stockpile with a Curtis E Lemay flair on all Jihadists, afterall they taught most of America everything they wanted to know about Islam on 9-11.

3. Maintain the current "Good Ol Boy" system....I've got friends too!

 

Are you serious?

 

Come to think of it, shouldn't everybody have the right to kill anyone they deem inconvenient?

 

"Changing hearts and minds" probably isn't going to accomplish much. Now that it has been made socially acceptable to engage in gratuitous sex and abandon the consequences, I just don't see any going back after that cat has been let out of the bag.

 

Well, she just gave her own child the death penalty and that child was not convicted of any crime!

 

The border guards could always ask what they were doing while outside the country. And border guards can deny re-entry.

 

Have you ever heard of long-arm laws?

 

No way! Just getting my digs back the X & Y generation for all the complaining they have been doing about the baby boom generation. I actually heard from one recently in which they played down the contributions of the WWII generation.
While they gave them credit for WWII and saving democracy the person went on to beat the bee-geebers out of them for everything else; economy, Vietnam, addiction to oil etc.

Long story short. I fired back, "when the dust settles on your generation, let's do a side by side comparison"