Wyoming may demand accreditation...

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by CalDog, May 28, 2005.

  1. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    ...and Kennedy-Western may have to contact the movers again. See the following excerpts from the May 11, 2005 Billings Gazette:

  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed, although I'm sure that KWU's paid lobbyist is working overtime right now.
  3. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Adsit omen.
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm betting on K-WU. But it would be a hoot for them to have to "relocate" again. It would continue to expose them as a b.s. outfit afraid of any oversight, governmental or private.
  5. Rivers

    Rivers New Member

    HOw many times can K-WU move and stay in the US?
    I can see them moving to the Degree mill promised land of Idaho but after that they are going to have to consider Liberia or some other more "exotic"location.

    One can only hope the the distinguished legislature of the great state of Wyoming do the honorable thing and move forward on this plan.
  6. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Wyoming and American Central

    It seems that the Department of Education has had some troubling issues with American Central, which got chased out of Hawaii and found refuge in Wyoming. Apparently they are learning that there can be some downsides to hosting questionable UA schools. According to the Casper Star-Tribune:

  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    What is wrong with relocation, Rich? Military personnel do it all the time. :D
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Well, theoretically, up to 49 times. Actually make that 54 if you include the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Trust Territory of the Pacific, and the U. S. Virgin Islands. Practically, however, I'm not sure. - Theo
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Man, there were a couple of assignments I had that I wish were just a change of post office boxes! :D
  10. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    It seems to me that two different and totally contradictory forces are active in the Wyoming educational bureaucracy. Both of them piously assure us that they favor stricter regulations.

    OK... right.

    Meanwhile the other faction says:


    I wonder what Preston's spokesman Jerry Haenish is going to think of that idea.

    Everybody's an opponent of degree mills, aren't they? Preston, KW all of them, bravely fighting for what they can sell as educational integrity and tougher state standards.

    But that accreditation proposal is guaranteed to expose the faultlines and to reveal who is playing for what team.
  11. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    I think any "need" to move, brought about by some new legislation requiring recognized accreditation, would only be seen by those that support KW as yet another oppressive rule by "the man".
  12. Rivers

    Rivers New Member


    It would actually be 48 more plus US territorys(the moved once already). My point was WY and of course Idaho(see Bryer state,Canyon College,et. al) have the most lax laws in regards to mills. It would not even be in K-WU's best interest to try most states(e.g. Oregon,Massachusetts and 47 others).
  13. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    It would be wrong to single-out just NCA and DETC. Whatever legislation is passed, it should specify that any accreditor approved by the US Department of Education (USDE) and/or its Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) would be acceptable.
  14. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member


    ACICS and ACCSCT are both recognized accreditors whose accredited members offer DL programs.
  15. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Oh, yeah... thanks for reminding me of the other thing I read in this thread that made me choke a little...

    The wording of this makes it sound like the problem is distance education itself. I know I don't have to point out in this place of all places that some of America's oldest and most respected -- and fully accredited -- colleges and universities are offering fully-accredited distance education. Distance education is not the problem. Kennedy-Western and those of its ilk which have found Wyoming to be a safe haven (ostensibly because no one in Wyoming -- until now, perhaps -- has given a damn about higher education insitutional credibility) are the problem. That KWU, et al, happen to use a distance education delivery method has nothing whatsoever to do with what makes them substandard.

    The solution is simple: Whatever legislation is passed should simply require that all educational institutions be accreditation by a USDE- and/or CHEA-approved accreditor. To keep lawsuits at bay, said legislation need simply contain a "grandfathering" clause which allows all existing institutions that are not accredited by a USDE- and/or CHEA-approved accreditor to continue to operate for a time -- probably a long time, by the end of which they must either become accredited or close (or move to another state); and all institutions -- both accredited and unaccredited -- must use statutorily-specified language on their web sites and in their catalogs and other advertising and/or promotional pieces which spells-out in clear and unambiguous language precisely what is their accreditation status.

    There are other, more sophisticated, things that could be done, but just doing the above will eliminate the Wyoming problem in short order...

    ...and the good-for-nothing KWU, et al, with it, I suspect.
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  16. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Casper Star-Tribune editorial on mills

    A strongly-worded editorial from the Casper Star-Tribune, entitled "Don't let diploma mills ruin our reputation", may be found here. Selected excerpts follow.

  17. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    This is great news indeed!

    It is beginning to look like it is only a matter of time (sooner than later) when Wyoming-based university imposters like KW"U", Richardson "U" and the like, will voluntarily evacuate the state of Wyoming en masse - or be kicked out screaming and screeching (and still milling and shilling)!


    The good people of Wyoming (and the media) are getting on the case and demanding legislative action - to, hopefully, one day soon - rid themselves of the earned "diploma mill haven" label.

    There should be no letting up of this much-delayed pressure!

    One would hope that Wyoming legislators and authorities would, in the very near future, simlutaneously embrace and promote higher education institutions (DL and B&M) which are properly and legitimately accredited by USDoE and/or CHEA-recognized accreditors - and none other!

    BTW, CalDog ......

    I am certain that I am not alone when I state that your many succinct, fact-filled, research-based, informative, objective and no-nonsense DI posts on DL and higher education institutions and programs - are always very, very much appreciated!


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  18. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    School standards: Wyoming vs. Pakistan

    A recent Wyoming news story, cited above, made reference to an unnamed university as follows:

    The "well-connected" school in question is most likely Preston University. See the following recent story from the Billings Gazette:
    One possible explanation for the apparent discrepancy is that Wyoming may have lower standards for private universities than Pakistan does.
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: School standards: Wyoming vs. Pakistan

    Since Wyoming's standards for unaccredited schools are amongst the weakest in the nation, I suspect that your explanation is correct.
  20. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    So if they are aiming at DL schools, that would mean that something like the Wyoming College of Welding would not have to jump through everything for Accreditation? I think most trade schools are on a different track?

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