United States President Joe Biden "State of the Nation"

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But those vegan beaver pelts were a really hard sell...
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not to the Medicine Man! That guy knew stuff! Amazing.... way ahead of his time! :)

    (Seriously, for a moment, the Anishnaabe, a.k.a. Ojibwe, in particular, here, "knew stuff." Prior to contact, they had an eight-level Medicine Society and recognized some concepts of modern medicine - e.g. psychosomatic ailments. They taught well over 200 years ago, that certain people got specific conditions or diseases, because of their personalities - the type of people they were.)
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That same First Nation (Anishnaabe) is famous for its artists. I've bought quite a few of their works - some prints, some original, over the years. Got six works by Anishnaabe artists, hanging in my living room right now, three more in the hall, a few in the bedroom... they mean a lot to me. They inspire me. I have a few from other First Nations as well. Cree, particularly. All with their own individual kinds of beauty.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Agreed. I over-stated it. Tobacco would be difficult to smuggle, but cigarettes do get smuggled--because of differences in taxation. There is a conduit from Virginia to New York because of that difference.
     
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  6. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I think at least as many, if not more, people would prefer edibles vs. smoking that stuff. If not smoked, I'm not aware of it containing any outright toxic substances. In contrast, nicotine is a poison. If you chew too many pieces of nicotine gum in a short enough time span, you can die! You can't overdose on edibles unless you have an allergy.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yeah - put marijuana in CHIPS! Easiest way to create addiction - about the only way, with weed. A psychological dependency, yes. Addiction - no. I know, myself. Smoking and drinking were easy to get over. I smoked weed once after I quit cigarettes. I knew right away I had to leave m.j. behind, or I might backslide to regular smokes. So I did - I left it behind. CHIPS? Took me two years to get clean!

    More on topic - edibles sound like a very good idea, but I don't see it happening much around here. The legal stores sell them, though. People buy TONS of weed here - legally, from Government-licensed (and stocked) stores - and from Joey-down-the-street they've been dealing with for years... It's a price-sensitive market. And edibles DO seem less popular. Maybe it costs more, for enough edibles to get as high as smoke will get you. I dunno. And, I guess smoking weed is ingrained in many people - it's what they've been used to doing for years.

    Edibles? Newbie thing, very possibly. I'd like to see it take off - but none for me. I have more than enough food temptations. If I saw marijuana muffins, I'm sure I'd throw caution to the winds, at least once. :) I don't need more expensive treats. :)
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I too believe that tobacco is a much greater risk to public good than marijuana. Although, my ex-son-in-law was an excellent exhibit for how one could consume way too much marijuana and thereby degrade their quality of life.
     
  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    We will see. My professional exposure to users of "medical" m/j suggests that those folks smoke because you get a faster high. Of course, these are people who have gotten into legal trouble through substance abuse.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I believe "medical marijuana" claimants who actually use it to mitigate ailments are in the minority. Many just looked for a reason to legitimize their use, back when medical marijuana was at least somewhat legal and recreational use wasn't.

    We had one guy in his 40s living in this building years ago - overpowering smell of weed from his place WAY before it was legal. He said his wife had an eye disease and a permit for medical marijuana. They eventually split and she moved away. The smell of weed stayed around. Need I say more?
     
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I read an article where they tried to evaluate the different medical uses for pot. The use that seemed to have the best results in general was for sleep. I take a quarter (2.5 mg of THC) of an edible to help me sleep at night. My wife also takes some. It helps us both sleep better.
     
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  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The eye disease was likely glaucoma, for which cannabis consumption is of proven benefit.

    It doesn't sound like you were harmed by this in the slightest, so either way, no, nothing more need be said.
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No it wasn't. There WAS no eye disease. His wife had no such permit, nor did she need one. He was a known LIAR. And their marriage ended suddenly, when he SOCKED HER ONE and the police showed up. That night, she moved and I never saw her again. A few months later, we were finally rid of him, his dope, his home-made tattoos and two dozen cartons of mason jars that blocked the hallway. I don't need a sermon.

    My point: Some people who claim medical marijuana need are hypocrites. Like this guy, not his wife - she probably had no viable choice but to be complicit and go along with his story, or face violence.
     
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  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Look, friends, it isn't my intent or even my place to challenge anyone's habits. What worries me is that there are an awful lot of unproven claims for the benefits of using Marijuana and whereas I've never seen evidence of most of those claims I have seen the results of "medical" Marijuana as an established part of the community. It isn't pretty.
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm with you there. There are also a lot of unproven claims by individuals re: their need and permission for medical marijuana.

    And there have been dealers in the past who catered to that particular "need." About a year before legal marijuana from Government-licensed stores, there was a fairly large location that called itself a "dispensary" and sold "medical marijuana" which they allowed to be smoked on their premises. None for outside use.

    They sold to ANYONE who appeared to be 19 or older That's the drinking, marijuana and tobacco age here. Adulthood is 18. No medical authorization necessary. A lot of stoned people coming out, mostly young. The police allowed it to exist for several months, then suddenly shut it down. My take: Government probably told them to shut it down as it would interfere with their trade under the new licensing provisions.

    There's an interesting marijuana shop about two miles from me, run by First Nations people. No Provincial license. Nice premises (they all have VERYgood-looking signs etc.) with a note that they're a Sovereign Nation on Sovereign Land - and operating under the laws of that Land. I wonder how that;s going to play out....
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It will probably work out the way all such morally worthless tribal businesses work out. They will damage their own people.
     
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good to know. There's also a conduit by boat from Ontario Canada to NY. Totally untaxed. :)
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Liquor stores. tax free tobacco, casinos. All the same.
     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Couldn't agree more.
     
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Those are usually on Reserve land. This is the first "tribal" attempt I've seen smack in the middle of a fair-sized city, nowhere near the Reserve. Not the first claim to land, though. Those claims are a BIG issue around here. Protests, highway blockades etc.

    These guys with the marijuana shop are just milking the Sovereignty issue for their own short-term gain. I don't see a good ending to that "strategy."
     

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