United States Attacked - Let's All Do Our Part

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Bruce, Sep 12, 2001.

  1. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    To all my fellow US citizens,

    Like I'm sure all of you, I watched the tragedies in New York City and Washington D.C. with a sense of helpless rage. But, anger never solved anything, so I've been thinking of something to do to help.

    The nation's blood supply was low even before yesterday's tragedies, and it's now probably critical. Let's all contact our local Red Cross and donate blood ASAP. I really *HATE* needles, but I'm going to donate as soon as I can. We need to do anything we can for the people of NYC and WDC.

    God bless all those affected by this incomprehensible catastrophe....

  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Excellent post, Bruce! Not only do the families/victims need our prayers, but also the leaders of our nation, as well as foreign leaders.

  3. Nicole-HUX

    Nicole-HUX New Member

    Although I have a rare blood type, the Red Cross has told me they can't use me as a donor because of various medication allergies. May I suggest as an alternative a cash donation to the Red Cross via the Amazon.com site? It's currently listed on their main page. They've collected pledges of over $500,000 in only 24 hours and have waived all fees that would normally be associated with the transactions so all collected monies will go to the relief fund.
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Excellent idea Nicole, I plan on doing both.

  5. Tom Head

    Tom Head New Member

    I'm in the same boat as Nicole when it comes to donating blood, so I do appreciate her mentioning the Amazon.com link; and I second Bruce, that we should extend our prayers and support to those affected by this.

    Here is a preliminary list of WTC tenants, but it only addresses the two main towers, to the best of my knowledge:

    A very early list of those killed (based mostly on the flight rosters) can be found here:

    I don't know what else to say.


    Tom Head
  6. JimLane

    JimLane New Member

    Mull this over:

    "In the year of the new
    century and nine months,
    From the sky will come a great King of
    The sky will burn at forty-five degrees...
    Fire approaches
    the great new city..."
    "In the city of york there will be a great
    2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
    while the fortress falls
    the great leader will succumb
    third big war will begin when the big city is

  7. Tom Head

    Tom Head New Member

    About five minutes ago, I received an e-mail about this, and it included this URL.

    Sorry... I would probably have taken it at face value, too, for what that's worth.


    Tom Head
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Mull what over? The post-event forgery in the name of a long-dead philosopher who didn't get anything right? This is disrespectful of the real tragedy facing those people and our nation. Faked superstition adds nothing to the healing.

    Rich Douglas
  9. Nicole-HUX

    Nicole-HUX New Member

    Thanks Tom, for helping me put a stake in this on one of my other boards. If your link is overloaded, I found another one people might wish to check out:

    Rumor Watch
  10. JimLane

    JimLane New Member

    Yep, everyone is right, it is a hoax. About five min after posting above, I received the hoax alert, but forgot to come back here and put up the URL I had been given where this is documented. No sense in adding another to the others given.


  11. JimLane

    JimLane New Member

    Received this today:

    "The Apollo Group and all its entities join the entire world in condemning the horrific acts of terrorism perpetrated on our country during this past week. We are pleased to announce that we are committing one million
    dollars in support of the relief and recovery efforts. We are carefully considering
    the appropriate place and methods to direct our support and will make you aware of the specifics when they are available. We encourage employees to express their support through the opportunities that mean the most to them while resting assured that their company will take an active role."

    Todd Nelson
    President and CEO


    Apollo Group is the parent of the University of Phoenix.

  12. se94583

    se94583 New Member

    This says it all for me:

  13. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    A Wonderful Tribute to the United States!!! Please see:

    I must, however, give you fair warning; some of you might want to have a Kleenex handy.

    Gus Sainz

    P.S. My personal favorite is the one of the guy sporting the green Mohawk. [​IMG]
  14. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Yes Gus, that is a very moving tribute of the world's compassion towards the United States.

    However, as the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. I just saw that NATO members Germany, Norway, and Italy (with more to follow I'm sure) have refused to assist in military action against the terrorists who recently slaughtered over 5000 US civilians.

    That is in spite of the fact that the United States has invoked Article 5 of the NATO charter, which states that an attack on one member nation is an attack on all member nations, and all member nations are required to lend full assistance (including military aid) to the attacked member nation, in this case the United States.

    Apparently, a lot of NATO members have decided that, for them, NATO only exists to provide them with protection, courtesy of the toughest kid on the block (United States), and they feel no compulsion to return the favor.

    IMHO, the United States should immediately withdraw from NATO, and sign mutual-defense agreements with those countries (such as, but not limited to, the United Kingdom) who have proven themselves true friends of the United States.

    There is no point whatsoever in the United States being a member of NATO (and paying billions in dues) if the other member nations will not assist us in our time of need, as is happening now.

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm just damn sick of my country playing Santa Claus to the rest of the world, and then getting crapped-on and attacked in return.

  15. StevenKing

    StevenKing Member

    Hey Everyone...

    If you want a real tear jerker that'll give you goose bumps...I suggest the following link:

    I hope you're all proud to be American.

    Steven King
  16. Ulrich Bozzo

    Ulrich Bozzo New Member

    I am an Italian citizen,Bruce.
    Concerning Italy,you were badly informed.
    Silvio Berlusconi,Prime Minister,and Antonio Martino,defence Minister,are members of Forza Italia,a party that is traditionaly "atlantist".
    Concerning these tragic events,the policy of the Italian gouvernment is in line with that of the British gouvernment.

    Please consult http://it.news.yahoo.com/010918/58/17ozj.html

    A strong support from the following countries:Australia,Belgium.UK,Canada,India,Israel,Italy,Kuweit and Spain

    A partial support from the following countries:France,Germany,Russia,Turkey,Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,...

    "ITALIA - Ha detto che parteciperà all'iniziativa militare ed è pronta a schierare truppe e aerei se necessario."

    "Italy will join in the military initiative and is ready to marshal troups and planes if necessary."

    I think,it's clear.

    You're not alone to be shocked,sad and angry.
    But don't let the anger blind you.

  17. Caballero Lacaye

    Caballero Lacaye New Member

    Dear Ulrich,

    I am sorry, Ultrich, but I am with Bruce 100% in respect to NATO.

    According to your assesment, NATO members who are strong supporters of US anti-terrorist policy are Belgium, Canada, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom. Then, this leaves the rest of NATO as week supporters or even "neutral", and this represents Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, and Turkey. By a simple mathematical calculation, this means that only 27.77_ % of NATO members are strong supporters of US anti-terrorist policy. This is a far cry from saying that NATO members are backing us up.

    The other countries that you mentioned are not relevant to NATO because they are not members of it.

    Thank you for your attention.

    Very cordially yours,

    Karlos Alberto "The Caballero" Lacaye
    [email protected]

    P.S.: For a list of NATO members, please check out:

  18. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'd like to retract (but not apoligize for) some of my comments regarding NATO. Since my original post, France, Germany, and Italy have all done a 180 degree about-face and come out in 100% support of the United States in the war on terrorism, including military assitance. All 3 countries have insisted that they will honor their NATO commitments.

    The reason I will not apoligize is because my original post was correct, many NATO countries initially refused to assist the US as required by the NATO charter, but they have since come around. Some other NATO countries have either held fast in their refusal or stayed silent. These countries should be booted from NATO ASAP, IMO.

    I would like to thank the citizens of all those countries who have chosen to stand with the United States in this darkest hour of our history.

  19. Ulrich Bozzo

    Ulrich Bozzo New Member

    I did not contradict Bruce with regard to NATO.

    Bruce mentioned Italy among the members of the NATO that have refused to assist in military action against the terrorists who recently slaughtered over 5000 US civilians.

    I am Italian and Bruce's assertion concerning Italy is false.That's why I corrected Bruce.
    I did not comment on the fact that some NATO members have refused to give the US military assistance.

    I gave two PARTIAL lists;a list of countries that are strong supporters(among them Italy) and another of countries that are partial supporters.I wrote COUNTRIES and not NATO MEMBERS.I know that Australia,India,Israel,Kuweit,Russia,Pakistan,Saudi Arabia are not members of the NATO.I am not completely idiot.At least I believe I am not.

    Best regards



    Your way to calculate is a sophistry.You cannot say that Hungary for example is a weak supporter because Hungary is not on one of the two partial lists I gave.I (and you) do not know the point of view of the hungarian gouvernment..Hungary is simply not mentioned on http://it.news.yahoo.com/010918/58/17ozj.html
  20. Caballero Lacaye

    Caballero Lacaye New Member

    Hey, Ulrich!

    Thank you for your comments.

    You are right, but I still believe that the majority of NATO members are not supporters of US anti-terrorist policy. I am not backing up this assumption right now, but if you want me to, I can try to. I was reading some references about this.

    Take care,

    Karlos Alberto Lacaye
    [email protected]

    P.S.: I have a strong suspicion that Hungary is either pseudo-supporting the US or that it is "neutral".

    P.P.S.: By the way, I also have family ties to Italy since my brother-in-law is Italian American.

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